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00:06 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_00]: this is Troy and Mark and you are back on another exciting episode of feedback episode of Christian or not every episode we look at somebody from history and we try to determine whether or not they are a Christian or not and on these feedback episodes we give the verdict did you agree with us on these episodes or not and in this episode we're looking at the lives of Mozart we're looking at the lives of Drake and Charlemagne
00:31 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We've already put those lives together.
00:33 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_00]: We put out our opinions on whether or not they were Christians, we looked through their life.
00:37 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And now we've received your feedback, your comments, and some of them agree with us.
00:42 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of them do not.
00:43 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So Mark and I are now gonna kind of go through and see, what is the final verdict where these guys Christians or not?
00:54 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Troy, I'm excited.
00:56 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
00:56 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Excited for another feedback episode.
00:58 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's episode five is now out.
01:01 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have five episodes live and running.
01:03 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I mean, so far, it's been an exciting journey.
01:07 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to say I've been, it's my first time launching a podcast.
01:11 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a little, I was a little anxious like our people gonna like it, but so far.
01:15 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems good.
01:16 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It says not my first time launching a podcast.
01:18 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We have revived thoughts, at least my wife has Mars and missionaries.
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've launched several other podcasts.
01:23 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: some of them went on to do well some of them did not it is exciting and always fun to be a part of a podcast that is doing well that people are listening to we have people you know messaging us hey I was listening to this at work and here's who I wanted to hear you guys do next or here's where I thought I get I'm now waking up and getting messages from friends that people I haven't talked to in a while I just ran a message just for that be like
01:46 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's why Rockefeller isn't the Christian or is a Christian, you know what I mean, I just these random messages come out of nowhere and I love it leave those comments.
01:53 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So we can actually talk about something that had to be like, that's great.
01:55 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you put it in the comments?
01:56 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I can put it in the episode, but it is really fun to see.
01:59 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And my favorite thing about this show so far has just been how many ideas and people we've been getting constantly where I, I feel like,
02:07 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: two or three times a week easily.
02:09 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody in a personal conversation was like, you know, it's like a Christian or not and have you thought of this guy and almost always I'm like, no, I thought of that guy.
02:15 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great name.
02:16 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
02:17 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
02:17 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, we've been putting together working on season two.
02:21 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We actually are really
02:22 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_01]: originally when we started, we were like, let's put out like three episodes, see what happens and then work from there.
02:28 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It actually turned out that we made eight episodes, eight episodes, put them all out there, put a whole season out and then started on working on season two before season one even was launched.
02:37 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we were so excited and it's, it's, I'm glad it's paying a lot.
02:41 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've already begun recording season two.
02:43 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So we already have one episode ready.
02:46 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.
02:47 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited for people to hear the constant in episodes.
02:49 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good episode.
02:50 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We already have some really good names for the next part too.
02:53 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So the hope is that when the season one, when all these episodes launch, you're wait between the season one and season two will be quite short.
03:00 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to do some spoilers?
03:02 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's one, and I'm really excited about it.
03:03 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell them the one you're most excited about.
03:05 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's get it out there.
03:05 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I'm most excited about Walt Disney.
03:07 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm ready for Walt Disney.
03:09 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good one.
03:10 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That is well, Disney.
03:11 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly that we have a really big list of like 16 to 18 names.
03:15 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So keep listening.
03:16 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Please.
03:16 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, it helps us a lot.
03:18 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: If you can share the episode, if you can leave comments, if you can do that five star stuff, I know that's what everyone who has a podcast or a show says, and they say that all because it actually does help, and especially share it with a friend.
03:28 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I give you guys somebody said, Hey, you know, we worked together, you know, you're so no, pastor, no, somebody a minister, no family member.
03:34 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: This doesn't even have to be something that a Christian has to listen to.
03:37 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody can be interested in the faith of a lot of these great people could be a great way to get a conversation going with somebody.
03:42 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, hey, I know you've mentioned you like Walt Disney before.
03:45 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: These guys saw he was or wasn't a Christian.
03:48 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
03:48 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So just lots of ways where I think this show could be really a good conversation starter.
03:53 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
03:54 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And just talking about conversation start is we have some some great comments that we get one of work through.
04:00 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a few that we just From the previous episodes as well from Newton and from Rockefeller that we just couldn't leave alone.
04:07 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll just briefly go through those as well.
04:09 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But then we will focus on like we said on Drake on.
04:14 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm missing one Charlemagne of course and Mozart, which was which was a fun one as well.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We have some fun things to talk about with you.
04:20 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So,
04:21 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_00]: First we have a couple of crazy, you know, we have one really friendly comment.
04:24 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone said Troy only goes after dead guys that was funny.
04:27 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so somebody compared me in the previous episodes to be in the mic when you're of dead guys.
04:31 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know who micling or his Christian apologists who goes after maybe some false teachers and I get to do that, but they're dead.
04:37 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So they can't comment back and they can't give me the trouble.
04:40 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I like my battles easy to win, right?
04:44 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say that because, you know, Newton had some people in his camp, yet some unitarian were coming after you.
04:50 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We, I still got them following me around.
04:52 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, we have a couple of their comments down below an Isaac Newton fan and we can tell that because if you look at his profile picture, we have all these shows by the way on YouTube.
04:59 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're one of our listeners and you don't know, the thing that made me nervous about launching this show was putting on YouTube, people have to see my face now.
05:06 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I can see why they don't make no, I met many of our listeners like I'm actually blown away that in the seven years of running revive thoughts and running podcast online I've met like way more people than ever thought and I met them in other countries like I've met a listener in Australia like I met people from all around the world
05:23 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and I say this lovingly, every time they meet me, there's always just like, I feel like a second of disappointment.
05:29 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that little glimmer in their eyes, or they're like, oh, he looks like that.
05:33 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what version of me they had in their head, but I can tell it was, I didn't live up to it.
05:38 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They were expecting West Huff, you know.
05:40 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you're expecting a little bow, or maybe Mike Winger, right?
05:44 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what they were expecting.
05:45 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But I can always tell them, like, I've let them down.
05:47 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's to my own head, it probably is.
05:49 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, now it's a YouTube channel.
05:50 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Now they can know what I look like, so it's maybe less unexpected.
05:54 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But he got a sizing name guy down here.
05:56 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And he says, I am the only perfect honesty load in after the first century.
06:01 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I am sad for you, kid.
06:02 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Go and study what the word of God actually is.
06:04 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Or I will teach you.
06:07 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I responded I think I'm not the only one who didn't hear me to say the word of God, but I actually now realized that was a big mistake.
06:13 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I had
06:14 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: the opportunity to study with the only perfect honest theologians since the first century and I just let him pass right out of my fingers and YouTube handles a liejada profit like a liejada profit which is why weird that he has an Isaac Newton with glowing eyes profile picture uh I guess I like his pictures not well known you know there's not a lot of pictures of him and to be honest so so guys I want to let you know sorry about I advice
06:43 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Since the first century slipped through our fingers and I promise it comes back around We're gonna definitely get more teaching from him because I mean how I'm gonna eat and what were the odds?
06:52 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He would even show up on our YouTube channel.
06:53 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know we're getting new listeners, but goodness the only one.
06:56 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow The other comment we got on Isaac Newton again.
07:00 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Isaac Newton really drew in the interesting people quote by Thindog a Jew by his theological writings and then donated them to a Jewish museum in Israel
07:12 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay.
07:13 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: There you have it.
07:14 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess if you're wondering where to go find Newton's writings.
07:18 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to buy a ticket to Israel.
07:19 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
07:19 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he thinks there's a reason that's interesting to write because I don't recall it.
07:24 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: The end episode we said do you think he's Christian or not?
07:26 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Not who bought his writings and where are they now?
07:30 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That is true, but we let's be honest.
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We are known to drift off from the script time.
07:34 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: She know we be also commented on how he was a finding counterfeiters and Isaac from Dubai will not true.
07:41 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's fair.
07:43 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fair comment.
07:44 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say in the future, if you know where the writing and so many of these guys are, if you're like, no, no, an Estonian bot that guy is writing and saying they're in a museum.
07:51 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Let us know if people might want to go read them, keep us up to date on the latest movements of these kinds of writing and so, but also tell us that they're Christian or not.
07:59 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what we're really interested in here.
08:01 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely more serious comments people actually giving opinions.
08:04 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think are worth having necessarily on the show except for again the only person No, let's see a load before we move on to it.
08:08 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a there's a Rockefeller one that is sort of like in the middle of our list here But he made a and mentioned about monopoly and not the concept of monopoly, but the game monopoly
08:20 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: This person commented monopoly games end when the richest person bankrupts every other player.
08:25 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It easily happens.
08:26 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But the other start to feel so helpless, they quit playing with the richest player.
08:30 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So just like in real life, more money isn't better than relationships.
08:35 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a good point.
08:36 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's true.
08:37 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily directly see how it relates to Rockefeller being a Christian or not.
08:41 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They're saying that because he monopolized,
08:50 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I never reminded us that Rockefeller did that and I liked the monopoly comment.
08:54 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the fan of the monopoly I'm not a fan of the game, but the comment is good.
08:58 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm never finished a game of enough Like no, that's actually what I know Anyone in Ever really does so yep, that was the what I was wondering as well when I read the comments like and it easily happens I'm like it doesn't easily happen like there's a case for ever a couple games You can never if at risk is another one because there's a certain point when you know you've lost risk and it's just It's the word
09:18 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: painful to finish it out, um, yeah.
09:21 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
09:22 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Enough of those charlament.
09:24 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And over here, uh, then the comment is Ann, girl, sci-fi thing is Ann.
09:29 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He sounds like a guy who was trying.
09:31 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That's charlament.
09:32 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But also, it seems he spent more time in August since head than in the Word of God.
09:36 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So who did he follow?
09:37 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Christ or Augustine?
09:40 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a fair comment we mentioned a lot in the city of God was the name of the book right that he really loved and that he had read to him like every night and you could make that argument like why not the Bible.
09:55 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's a it's a fair comment.
09:57 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know like we didn't find anything about him having to buy a red to him or I think this was just a bit of a mental maybe red as well.
10:04 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember whether you know I will say interesting thing about the French during that time only 200 years or so before Charlemagne the tribe of the Franks had actually attempted to make Augustine canonized like they thought his words were so good that it should be scripture
10:23 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So it could also be a little bit of like, and this could go maybe to Anne's point or against it.
10:27 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure, but it could be something like that culture of that area really believed in the idea that Augustine was like right up there with the word of God.
10:36 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't, and he isn't.
10:38 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a great guy.
10:38 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Good to go read it.
10:39 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I think again, we recommended it, but
10:41 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_00]: not, you know, not word of God level, obviously, that the word of God has been canized for a while.
10:47 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but I guess if you're growing up in that environment and your priests and bishops are telling you, like Augustine is almost word of God level, then you know, I can see how that would be a problem for anybody.
10:56 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
10:57 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is in general a fair comment.
11:00 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think for any day and age, suit, to sidestep here a little bit, but
11:04 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we see this happening.
11:05 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, have you read this new book or this new book?
11:08 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this one really explains, you know, theology well, and this is, and there is always a risk for us.
11:15 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
11:15 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what I'm taking from this comment as well, to just learn from myself.
11:18 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's only one Bible and the Bible is the Bible.
11:21 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's not that other thing, like, which is as good as the Bible, or it's like, oh, you should read this and then read the Bible.
11:26 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No, the Bible is the Bible, read your Bible.
11:28 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So even us, if you're tempted to make Christian or not, I don't think so.
11:33 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't think we are, that is gonna be a big concern about it.
11:36 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but I will say, I do remember an old, this is the kind of tag on your point.
11:40 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe wrap it up on that idea.
11:41 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember a preacher a long time ago saying something like, you know, people wanted to go and speak to Moses, while his face glowed, but we now can go talk directly to God.
11:52 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's almost like we still want to put a Moses between us and God and go here from Moses and his great ideas and his great teachings and where's, where's too scared to go directly to God.
12:04 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be sad if, you know, 200, 500 years from now, somebody's looking at yours in my life mark and they say, hey, you know what, these guys really loved Christians in history, but I can't tell if they were Christians.
12:13 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be an extremely depressing, you know, statement about who we are.
12:17 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that would happen, but that would be a statement we wouldn't want to attach to us.
12:21 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
12:22 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
12:23 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We have another comment here by Daniel Paparcus.
12:27 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel P. Daniel P. It's not a name.
12:30 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very common in the Netherlands.
12:32 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry if I mispronounced it.
12:35 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And he comments on the information.
12:37 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have an, I believe so.
12:39 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So that he is a Christian.
12:41 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he adds, which is, I think, a very fair comment.
12:43 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a merciful and gracious Lord.
12:45 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
12:46 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I can only agree with that one Daniel, thank you for commenting and we have another one on Charlemagne.
12:54 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think over here you want to read that one, Troy.
12:57 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_00]: is, this one wasn't necessarily on Charlemagne.
12:59 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It just came out around the same time.
13:01 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: One of our Patreon listeners, Kit was saying Kitrick, but he was congratulating Joel and I on our new podcast adventures.
13:09 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know, Joel is my co-host on Revive Thoughts and the other podcast that we are attached to the same studio on, and we both launched our new podcast, kind of at the same time.
13:19 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But then he just gave a suggestion of, hey, you're prepping future episodes.
13:23 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you considered again, this will get these suggestions all the time, which I actually think is really interesting
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: would have never considered.
13:28 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you consider draw certainly in the creator of the twilight zone.
13:31 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe we as a member of a unitarian church, but a lot of episodes get interestingly close to biblical truths as me thinking whether or not he was a believer.
13:39 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, thanks for those shows.
13:40 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm proud to be a part of and funding these ventures.
13:42 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So we appreciate that we have these kind of comments coming in.
13:45 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much, Kitric.
13:47 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And
13:48 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't know Rod certainly in very well.
13:50 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the twilight so very well twilight's on scared me as a kid Um, I don't know if you watch it.
13:55 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't it didn't make it to the TV.
13:58 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, they probably protected you guys from it But there was a really okay.
14:02 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not related the one of the best episodes in the world though is this guy dies And they're like hey, you've made it to the afterlife welcome.
14:10 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You can have anything you want anytime you want
14:13 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And the guy is so happy he gets to, you know, he was like a gangster or something so he would like his He's throwing like all these gambling cards he wins every time he always gets a girl Everything's easy and then finally he's like, hey, this is miserable everything's easy I always win there's no challenge like I don't think this is heaven And the person who was ever seen was like, wait, you thought you were in heaven
14:33 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like oh that's that's kind of clever like you know yeah and so I don't think that makes you know Rats really Christian if you'd interesting these we can look into him, but that that that's why lies on episode always stuck with me I'm like oh, that's a creepy thought.
14:46 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a good one.
14:47 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: All right Let's move on to yeah no more Charlotte.
14:50 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I got a sorry.
14:52 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna interrupt you Troy because
14:55 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: just a little, you know, a producer's notes here, a little background behind the scenes information.
15:00 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Charlemagne, it almost feels a little, I feel a little nostalgic about Charlemagne, because he was our pilot episode, our unreleased.
15:09 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So we did actually, we did Charlemagne three times.
15:12 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We did it once as like a screen test for ourselves.
15:15 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We said in your like old little office thing like pretty crammed behind your desk and we just did it right then and there just to see like how does the dynamic work what do we need to do like script wise what do we focus on?
15:28 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Then we recorded it when we still actually wanted to call the show records of faith.
15:33 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like our old working title.
15:35 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so funny because looking back that name was really not a good name for a podcast, but the time is so happy with such a good name for a podcast.
15:42 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And then after telling every single person, it's going to decide whether they're Christian or not.
15:47 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember like texting years on the market like we need to call the show.
15:50 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Christian or not.
15:51 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: This is all I say all day long, because it's determining that.
15:54 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
15:55 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we did a third time like for real for Christian or not.
15:58 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So saying goodbye to Charlemagne.
16:01 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's it's bittersweet but he's been recorded.
16:04 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been I wanted to say judge, but that's not the right word.
16:09 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We've been verdicted but into the record.
16:12 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's faith has been recorded.
16:14 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That was that was what we were thinking about in it.
16:18 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I really thought it was a good title and then you need you texted me like you were in the in the states that summer So we're talking like two years ago, I think this is two years ago that we first did Charlemagne in your little office in your old house And and you texted me like Mark we got a change to name like everybody says like why don't you call the Christian or not and is like
16:38 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that actually makes make that a lot of sense.
16:41 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes so much sense.
16:43 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, but, and the thing is what I actually wanted to tell you, and here's, you know, a little, little Europe, both kind of thing, because in both the pilot episode or like the unrecorded like screen test and in, in the episode for the other, uh, that's never going to be released, um,
17:00 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I told the story that I actually went to, uh, I have to say it, right?
17:05 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So this was in Akhen where the cathedral is where his throne is and like they have like his little throne there.
17:11 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It is actually very underwhelming.
17:13 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to say, I think I'm going to put a picture up in the podcast I'm saying right now, I'm actually the one that has to do it.
17:17 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to put a picture in there.
17:19 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a, it's a surprisingly underwhelming throne.
17:21 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Not like giant with made of swords or, you know, other giant, no, nothing cool like that.
17:27 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing cool like that.
17:28 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, a chair made of stone.
17:32 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but anyway, so, and I mentioned it in that episode, I mentioned it in the trial episode, it's like to try, I really want to share this, and then I never shared it.
17:41 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So now, here's my redemption moment.
17:43 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm glad you got to try that because I also wanted to share the because in response because Marcus from the Netherlands and Europe, all the cool stuff is everywhere from United States of America, but I had been to the first ever chillies.
18:00 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And you got to love Chilli's awesome blossom is where it's the home of.
18:04 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I got that on my title.
18:06 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been to the first ever Chick-fil-A when it was called a Dwarf House, which is what it was really called.
18:12 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So we got you called things that not anymore, but I guess in the 1980s or 70s when Dancer and Kathy were, I know he started like in the 40s or 50s anyway, but he had like a little house out front and it was called like it had a little sign called Dwarf House.
18:25 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was still there when I drove by in like 2016.
18:28 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Also pretty cool, but I'm just saying Charlemagne is cool, it's really impossible to know who's been to the more famous of play I'm just saying if you live in the Philippines where they where you went and visited chilies Yeah, and chilies was good chilies was good, you know, it was good, what do you think, I mean how many people is is Charlemagne currently employing Because chilies people have jobs all around the world
18:52 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: This is this is a very intriguing question because in a sense, I think like, you know, there's people still working in like, like the Cathedral of Ack, and there's still people around, like does he technically, is he responsible for their employment still?
19:05 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, but this we rewind, that didn't go as well as I was hoping so.
19:09 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: How many people has chilies killed?
19:12 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I've sure it's the lower than the number of star-loving killed.
19:16 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's get into like a BCD numbers right now better.
19:19 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And then for also saying Charlotte means a Christian, then I guess it's like, well, there's a lot probably a lot more people in heaven because of Charlotte.
19:24 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we don't have an even no any Bible studies happen at a chillies.
19:27 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
19:29 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll never know, it's till his question or not, probably not.
19:33 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so I need to look, I look, we don't have kings that, you know, conquered nations.
19:37 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
19:38 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, got it.
19:38 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I bet that's we can't.
19:39 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_00]: If I had a king, it was, we, we, we kind of got rid of the guy.
19:42 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
19:43 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we didn't work out.
19:44 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're guy, you know, we're going to be talking about his granddaughter in season two.
19:47 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So a little, not a spoiler right there.
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
19:50 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we've drifted far enough.
19:52 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to put myself in the frame and we've drifted far enough.
19:55 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Charlemagne, we close the book.
19:58 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_01]: This was it.
19:59 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been to Akon.
20:00 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You've been to Chilies.
20:01 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's good.
20:03 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: When you say it like that, it doesn't sound very good.
20:06 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Mark, you need a little.
20:11 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We're sorry if it's a chickfully okay.
20:14 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry to the first ever chillies and the first ever chickfully I'm very proud.
20:19 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I revive thoughts.
20:20 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Listener also a last summer got me into the chickfully It headquarters.
20:24 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I got the wander around.
20:24 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It was amazing I saw like I'm sorry guys.
20:28 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you want to hear more about Charlotte Mayan certain you're not you're not tuned in for this Let's get to the next one.
20:32 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on to this move on.
20:33 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
20:33 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: There we go
20:41 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, let's see.
20:42 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have, uh, Mozart, we have a comment on YouTube because, um, we're actually joking before.
20:49 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Troy has a, has a fun hobby of starting online feuds with people, like he's got like a ton.
20:56 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not a ton.
20:57 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about this in the previous episode as well.
20:59 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, I'm not used to, you know, being visible having an opinion online.
21:03 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Troy is, um, so the next
21:10 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: is the free mason's because we're going to be talking about Mozart.
21:14 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked in his episode as well.
21:16 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, about the whole thing with him being a free mason and Chris Copeland Barger, very accurately already commented in before the free mason apologists.
21:26 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a cult that said excellent episode, keep them coming.
21:30 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Chris.
21:30 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you got in there before the free mason's, do we?
21:33 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: good to get any information and that's because you when I were talking about for recorded this episode I don't think the free mason's are going to attack us directly like they're going to come in from the side with some kind of illuminati style you know they're going to come into the lodge or whatever it is that they do
21:50 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So, maybe the fact that we didn't get directly attacked by them in the comments is actually more concerning.
21:55 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
21:55 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait a second.
21:56 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't, you know, we weren't there a lot of like, and I say where things happening in your life recently.
22:03 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's actually true.
22:04 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually true.
22:05 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe do you think they were orchestrating anything?
22:07 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: They somehow caused some recent motorcycle incident.
22:11 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I did get bumped on a biomotor cyclist two months ago.
22:14 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: How do I know that wasn't we can't rule it out?
22:17 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We cannot.
22:17 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And to definitively rule it out, Troy.
22:19 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We cannot say it wasn't them.
22:21 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we don't check.
22:23 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't ask.
22:24 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I fell over, I didn't even think to ask if the young Indonesian gentleman was a free Mason.
22:29 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So I might be on me.
22:30 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
22:31 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a little faster because the Mozart episode has only been out for two weeks.
22:34 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So it would have been, actually, in fact, we've only had out for less than a week with these comments.
22:39 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So the free Mason's might be getting ready.
22:41 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they probably got into my laptop's audit recording beforehand.
22:44 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
22:45 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
22:46 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, enough jokes about the free Mason's.
22:48 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We have some more comments here.
22:49 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a comment by Danielle.
22:51 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a difficult one.
22:54 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Make it a little bigger for you.
22:55 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_00]: No, thank you.
22:56 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: There it is.
22:56 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's too big though.
22:57 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here we go.
22:59 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say we have discussed this as well.
23:01 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The comment section.
23:02 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: The way I'm keeping these comments organized is not working.
23:06 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is we're doing it in a Google Doc and it's just it's all over the place.
23:09 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems screenshots into it and then we're not organized.
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to get we're going to get a word.
23:14 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_00]: We're growing and learning.
23:15 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We're like you, you know, we're all coming together here.
23:17 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
23:17 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So here we go again.
23:18 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Danielle.
23:19 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a difficult one.
23:20 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that Mozart's father took him around Europe in obedience to the Lord tells me that Mozart grew up in a religious home.
23:27 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The few quotes you shared also sounds like it mimics the Psalms and somehow feels empty.
23:32 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_01]: it is so easy to grow up in a religion that you never realize you're not born again.
23:37 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Catholic has this extra part of confessing to a Pope that it becomes more difficult to confess to Jesus, you know.
23:44 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that this might be safe by works.
23:46 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, yeah, that's that's that's that's uh,
23:50 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing with Catholics that we've talked about as well in the episode that we are not.
23:54 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I really unbored with.
23:56 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Daniel makes a good point though, like if he was, like he does seem like maybe people around him were Christians, but it just could have been like he just was kind of swimming in Christian water, but he never did.
24:06 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: dove underneath the water himself.
24:08 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he just assumed.
24:09 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is all fine.
24:11 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so focused on my music and my career.
24:13 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He never, he never made time to make himself.
24:17 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't seem like I do remember the episode that he had a very, you know, particular moment.
24:21 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_00]: After his mother died, where he got very emotional, but I don't know that it ever really clicked for him as deeper than that.
24:27 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Just he seemed very emotional and was reaching out, needing prayer, but I, you know, not many non-believers will reach out and need prayer during a hard moment, but it doesn't mean that they became believers.
24:37 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
24:39 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:39 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.
24:41 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Next comments.
24:42 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We have, and now we have someone also commenting on the free maze and thing as well.
24:46 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Most are being a free one.
24:47 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The same person down said the PC thinking of his Beethoven symphony number five.
24:53 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I had personal friends in mind just out of nowhere messaging me being like really wrong.
24:58 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They had one of them just Wikipedia'd me a link to Beethoven and then no context at all just like I had heard from them a lot something was like like a pedaling to Beethoven.
25:06 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like I see you're listening to Christian or not.
25:09 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
25:10 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't, it wasn't, you know, best moment, you know, it's an, and actually, so I actually made like a little clip that I sent to you like directly is like, hey, here's, you know, the fun moment from the show and then try coming in for some reason it's only choice mistakes that make it into the episodes.
25:28 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not catching marks mistakes like,
25:31 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, you're not making all the mistakes.
25:33 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard on this.
25:34 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Could be that.
25:35 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
25:36 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.
25:36 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, so the thing is my mistakes, the mistakes I make is like pressing the wrong button.
25:41 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, like for now, I'm talking, but your face is on.
25:44 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, actually it's not.
25:45 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was actually out of sync.
25:46 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What a ridiculous mistake people.
25:48 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Hit them with a Wikipedia link.
25:51 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how the last five minutes look because I'm actually like the screen that the recording is on is like on my left I can't actually see what's on in the frame right now And I have a button here that I keep pressing hoping that I'm like in sync with who's talking So that's the mistakes I make and they're let us visible especially if you're a listener only and not watching this on YouTube So I also make mistakes But yeah, it was a brag I've ever heard
26:15 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm making mistakes over here too.
26:18 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Mine are so small.
26:20 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, people will never know that it confused two of the most famous composers in the world, but I also put my shoe on one at a time.
26:29 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
26:30 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
26:30 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's true.
26:32 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that one was not great.
26:33 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I do agree, but I also...
26:35 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I stand by it.
26:37 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So do you buy now?
26:38 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: No, let me mosa have you listened because that was the thing.
26:41 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So what I said is like, there's his famous piece.
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's called Luckne mosa.
26:45 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It is is like funeral march.
26:46 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:47 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's in a lot of movies.
26:48 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And then so do you know yet are they Marie?
26:53 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
26:53 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, I did listen to some Mozart a lot right after that episode nine months ago eight months ago six months ago.
26:59 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But I haven't listened to it recently.
27:02 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
27:03 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well.
27:04 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do,
27:21 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And so she knows all this classical music like she's really good at those things and she actually dared me like Can she just like humm it or sing it on the show so people know what it is because this is not like an easy like a couple of notes like Yeah, like the like it is very easy and there's a lot of those like like the freelies like
27:44 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The war actually world symphony.
27:46 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
27:48 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought for a second.
27:49 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing jostre.
27:50 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the jostre got inspired by the world symphony.
27:52 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hey, whoa, and that's that's cool I have a lot of knowledge about one symphony New world symphony the fourth movement and it's pretty much 90% of my class of communication is revolving around that one symphony I listen to like once every couple weeks
28:08 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, that's really cool, actually, though.
28:11 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of music is inspired on classical music.
28:14 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, she dared me like, hey, can you like hum or sing like an emota?
28:18 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not as accessible.
28:19 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just going to not do it because I'm too scared.
28:23 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got to be honest, standable.
28:24 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so just listen to it.
28:26 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Google it, like an emota, is the one by Mozart.
28:30 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So you should be able to find it.
28:32 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a beautiful piece of music.
28:33 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Back to this person's other comment, though, Mozart being a free Mason is interesting.
28:37 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The expansion of the organization spread during the 18th century because it allowed men to serve their community alongside their neighbors, without worrying about their religious or political backgrounds.
28:45 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The Catholics and Protestants have been fighting for so long.
28:48 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a vacuum created for a neutral organization.
28:51 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's unfortunate that they left out God by name and merely required a belief in a supreme being.
28:55 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: One conspiracy I read was that Mason's poisoned Mozart.
28:58 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: They were mad he revealed their secrets and writing the magic flute.
29:02 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And actually I'm glad this person mentioned the magic flute because it's true.
29:06 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We got a children's book a long time ago called the magic flute.
29:10 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I read to my kids whatever wasn't the, you know, it's just a learning to reconnect children's book thing, Mozart.
29:16 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember looking it up afterwards and the magic flute is okay.
29:20 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_00]: it has an an ordinate amount of like free masonry symbolic stuff and it was pretty clear it was not by there's no way he accidentally put the magic flute together so I don't know if it was his way of trying to reveal free masonry or if it was his way of doing free mason like the people in the know would know or if he just got inspired by the story or something but there's no way he didn't cross over there.
29:43 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think actually because I think this actually came up when I was doing the research as well like a pretty original episode and it was mostly just like a tribute like like he was really you know excited for free masonry so he used all the themes into his music like he was used to as well from being Catholic like there was all these these religious themes into putting into his music so in that sense it was just the same thing, but you know he died two months after it was released so I'm
30:12 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know us, if you've been with us for a little bit, you know, we love a good conspiracy theory.
30:16 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and every celebrity death has to have a conspiracy theory behind the proposed.
30:21 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Was he 27 though?
30:22 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he was all right.
30:23 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I will say, if you're in a group called the Free Masons and then you die in a mysterious circumstances or just kind of die unexpectedly.
30:31 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's going to, I mean, I say, if you're in the group like the free, like, you know, all are free Mason listeners just keep in mind.
30:36 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_00]: If you die mysteriously that everyone's going to assume the free Mason's guilty, right?
30:40 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's just how if I have one mark and I go missing the next couple weeks.
30:45 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna put that right on them.
30:47 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't know, but yeah, I don't know if he was poisoned.
30:50 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know nearly enough about that But I do appreciate you for bringing up the magic flu and I do agree the free mason's at least in central Europe.
30:57 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think was kind of like your safe organization to belong to that you could network in But that is in also, you know
31:06 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't excuse the weird things they were up to.
31:09 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And I did a, when we did a night's Templar episode of Revive Thoughts, we did a deep dive on the who the night's Templar.
31:16 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And I did a lot of research on the Freemasons, too, because the Freemasons borrowed a lot of like nights, Templar, like costuming almost, like to look like they were older than they were, they're a strange group.
31:28 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, it does not do you a credit
31:31 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: or a service to be a part of them if you're living to be a Christian.
31:36 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It certainly can hurt.
31:37 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And we actually had another comment where a couple people, one gentleman had a lot of knowledge on this on X.
31:43 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, there are professing Christians who are free masons.
31:45 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Many don't understand why it's bad though.
31:47 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say if you're in the five and under degree of masonry, I wouldn't hold to the against you.
31:51 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you remain in it climbing up to levels 30 and more, you aren't born again, especially at 33.
31:57 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And then someone else said, uh, Anthony Harris says, I would say entry-level mason's can be Christian, but the further up you go, you basically are inducted into a satanic cult.
32:08 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know enough about them to agree if an entry-level person can be a Christian or not.
32:13 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_00]: What I would say is if you are a Christian, stay away.
32:16 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That seems to be pretty, it seems clear that for certain the higher up you go, nobody thinks you can be a Christian.
32:21 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't play around with stuff like that, I think.
32:24 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a safe advice.
32:26 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going through is like knowing almost nothing about free maisons.
32:30 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, if you're like level five, it's fine.
32:32 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: If you got like 30 plus and like, I played the odd RPG in my time, you know.
32:37 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just thinking like, our free maisons just people running around like, I use my level 8 spell on you.
32:43 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's happening here?
32:44 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But does it just mean not knowing anything about free maisons?
32:47 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But thank you, Rath and Sarah for responding.
32:54 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: say yeah I am I one more comment we had a lot of comments coming down the mode so much I appreciate but we I I'm not surprised in a sense of asserts the kind of guy that you hear that need to go man if you haven't done the research on them you kind of go like oh is he a Christian I don't know actually and I that's what I like about this show yeah we covered like leaders like charlament people kind of you would expect but I like that we're covering the people outside that you know what he's really talking about but it's a we're the question but he said he was a Catholic for his
33:23 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's true, in the terms of like on the, you know, a tendency in his government home, it would say Catholic Christian or something, right, but obviously we're asking more of the deeper question, will we see him in heaven, maybe would be, you know, heaven or not, maybe, but I don't think that's really what we're going for here, because only the Lord can know that, but yeah, it's we're asking whether we believe he knew Jesus, I do understand the person's point and that's kind of what this show is trying to dig into.
33:49 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of people who
33:50 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm a Christian, but we know that not everybody who sits in a Christian church is a Christian.
33:55 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to figure out is there evidence from his life if he's a Christian.
33:58 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
33:59 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
34:00 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I have one more comment on Mozart, which is not in our script because it was made at the dinner table this evening.
34:06 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The conversation starter.
34:07 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is happening.
34:08 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's out there and my wife actually said after she listened to the episode.
34:13 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_01]: like you really really sort of you know throughout the sister really quickly and it was all about Mozart.
34:19 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And which is actually painfully I looked it up real quick.
34:23 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like okay well that's that's fine out a little bit more about the sister and this is actually like painfully in in in line with how her life went.
34:32 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So she she's used to at least.
34:38 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's still she was a very distinguished musician.
34:41 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_01]: She was actually Mozart's like idle when he was growing up like when he was like really young He's like oh, I want to be like my sister because I made this whole intro remember about you know Mozart playing the harpscored and all the other harpscored players being super super bummed out That there's now a kid being way better than them his sister was actually the kid before Mozart that was doing that and she was actually really good
35:02 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_01]: but always overshadowed by her younger brother.
35:06 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There's even here, there's a few quotes that the press gave about like their tour because they went on tour together.
35:12 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So imagine a girl 11 years of age who can perform on the harpsichord or the 4th of piano, the most difficult sonatas and concharters by the greatest masters, most accurately readily and with incredible ease.
35:24 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's three more that say like she's only 11, she's amazing.
35:28 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it says they're like at the end.
35:31 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_01]: All four reviews quoted go on to praise Wolfgang, though, in different terms, not just for his performances of existing works, but also for improvisation and composition.
35:39 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So she was just overshadowed by her brother, her whole life.
35:44 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though she lived actually a way longer life, she lived to be like 80 or something.
35:50 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was actually from what I didn't and this is like not the research level that we normally do.
35:57 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I took like a quick Wikipedia scan through her whole page and like she was actually a more devoted Christian.
36:03 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems are a more devoted Catholic than her brother as well.
36:06 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe a future episode, maybe I've already spoiled it.
36:09 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but the sister, yeah, just getting an honorable mention here is shout out for Maria Anna Walberga Ignasia.
36:19 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And like my five-year-old then said, yeah, she was also just trying.
36:23 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So, there we go.
36:25 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Wolf Gondord is Mozart's sister, Marianne, getting her shout-out as well for being also an amazing musician.
36:32 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And there is actually a theory out there that Mozart stole some stuff from her, like things that he claimed that he wrote that were, may have actually been written by the sister.
36:41 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's that.
36:42 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like we do that with everybody these days though.
36:46 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Even, even the Bible, they're like, no, Jesus stole this from somebody.
36:50 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, come on, guys.
36:50 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And anyway, we don't think the Bible still exists.
36:54 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Like every single thing, they're always like, oh, he couldn't have made that up.
36:57 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He stole it from someone before.
36:59 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
36:59 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I like to think that's a lot harder to steal things from people than we think it is.
37:04 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it'd be.
37:05 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: if the sisters up there playing a harpscore and then her brother gets up and is like look at this new play piece I created and then I'm not going to play well.
37:13 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like she'd be like, hey bro, we're going to talk about that on the wagon right home, right?
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
37:19 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how when, maybe she also got a lot of money from it.
37:22 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how it worked, but I will say too.
37:24 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think that it's a little thought, like just how many of these famous people, how many famous people today, and there's a sibling somewhere nearby, just like, I was also gonna be a famous actor, musician, whatever, whatever it is.
37:37 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's like a third or fourth hem-swit brother right out there.
37:40 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well it's funny, cause in one of the Thor movies, there's like a play where they play out Thor.
37:48 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Hemsworth brother that is playing like the fake stage Thor on stage.
37:52 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So you are in a poor movie, I guess, but you're pretending to be your the worst version of your brother.
37:57 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's such a side note, but I'm just saying like, that's kind of things got to get hurt on some people.
38:01 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There's they all have brothers and sisters that we know absolutely nothing about and it's so it's an interesting thing, right?
38:07 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they had a front row sea to history being made and they were even part of it at some point, but then just sort of
38:13 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we always looked at how the Lord picked out King David from the Sheetfield, but gosh, it must have been kind of a bummer for brothers one through six or whatever.
38:21 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's for all of us like, uh, cool.
38:23 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_00]: David, he's a little glier.
38:25 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: The, um, you know, I do, I play the harp pretty with this.
38:28 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, yeah.
38:29 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they were actually already there in the army and then, you know, David shows up.
38:33 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, so uh, shout out to the, uh, and the forgotten, the forgotten series.
38:39 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, shout out from Mozart to the forgotten siblings.
38:49 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That's Mozart.
38:50 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think right.
38:51 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's see who is our number three is that it's Francis Drake and comments here pretty simple and they're about his opposite is they think that we actually they're both encouraging I know that there were actually some negative comments I don't know why lost them maybe in the the file shuffling we did here if you're in cigar what because there were people who are actually one of them made a really good point now I'm kind of mad that I lost this comment because they were just like yeah look he killed a whole town of people.
39:17 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, how do we, and another person was like, he, he locked away.
39:20 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I, I'm gonna find this one here.
39:22 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You read the current one, because I, I cannot do this without this comment on his sermon.
39:25 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That one was too important.
39:26 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one said the bottom, I think, right here.
39:28 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a longer one.
39:30 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you.
39:30 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there's another page.
39:31 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll find it.
39:32 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It is another page.
39:33 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
39:33 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:34 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just start with Ellen here.
39:35 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:36 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Ellen says, I am listening to Drake.
39:38 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I have reached a part when a town of women and children were murdered.
39:41 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Not to excuse the murder, but soldiers at the time believed in the divine rights of King and King's could speak for God.
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the part that I'm like, it's so hard, isn't it?
39:51 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's true.
39:54 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It is true that the church at the time, you know, these guys had divine rights.
39:58 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They could say, this is the early, like the 1500s, you know, a king could say, do this.
40:03 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's speaking for God.
40:04 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're looking at the Bible, it's not like there aren't times in the Bible when the king's killed all the people, right?
40:09 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So you could not that it's correct, but you could make that all theological assumption.
40:16 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_00]: and still believe Jesus is good.
40:18 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But man, it is hard.
40:19 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a part that I really am like, yeah, but it's still hard, right?
40:23 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, would you want to sit next to him with a pure church?
40:26 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, nobody needs to be at that pure and church maybe more than this mass murder.
40:31 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, that's a tough one.
40:33 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:35 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It is.
40:35 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we, we actually deal with those things as well.
40:39 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, just this last Sunday, I shared the story about a story I heard from somewhere in Indonesia, where a witch doctor came came to the Lord and he had killed other witch doctors in his time.
40:50 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, you know, he did some bad stuff, but he came to the Lord now.
40:55 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But for me, there is a difference here when you do it like in the name of the Lord.
40:59 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like, yeah, that's definitely different.
41:02 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really, I, you know, this was an episode that we weren't fully in agreement, if I remember.
41:09 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really still struggle with this thing of him just being part of this.
41:17 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, they were soldiers.
41:18 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They were carrying out the King's orders.
41:21 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But still, yeah, it's,
41:25 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I still struggle with it.
41:27 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I still don't know.
41:28 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of goes back to maybe Charlotte mains are Lord is grace graceful and merciful Maybe and that's kind of where I may be laying into like if he's okay It's based on the mercy of the Lord which this person is saying hey that's kind of what they're saying to like it's the faulty theological Maybe that's it the pathology lead to these really bad consequences
41:45 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I like Ellen's comment.
41:46 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a hard one.
41:48 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yes, he says, I agree with you all.
41:50 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like that.
41:51 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I like when people agree with us.
41:53 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that makes no, I don't mind.
41:54 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually don't mind.
41:56 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I like reading the disagreeing comments.
41:58 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I like reading the agreeing comments.
41:59 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoy reading the ones that are mean and they actually think they're funny.
42:04 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I had to delete a kind of meaner comment that caught us bad news for not being in the deterrence, but I thought that was a funny one too.
42:11 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So I like, I like just reading your comments no matter what they say.
42:15 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yes, he added on super interesting episode at the end, uh, at the end, had to agree that only cod can know of Drake was a true Christian or not.
42:22 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not the goal of the show as to like, we know for certain 100% this guy is a Christian or not, but I do think when he gets to the end of France's Drake, he really does make you ask a lot of questions, but maybe these are good questions to ask, because you know, we don't have Francis Drake's
42:35 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Pirating around anymore, but we do have the witch doctor guy, right?
42:37 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But we also have, um, every country hasn't has a government has a military branch of some kind.
42:43 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Navy seals and people like that.
42:45 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If the world went to war, if your son went to war and did things, where would we land?
42:49 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What would, you know, I hope that we never have to get to these questions again.
42:53 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's always easy for people in peace time to judge the faith that people from more time, but we don't live.
43:00 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_00]: in war times.
43:00 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what, if the next 100 years that we have were as crazy as the 100 years that led up to France's Drake's time, we might come to some very different conclusions.
43:10 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And we might look at what he didn't said.
43:12 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_00]: No, those are very justifiable things.
43:14 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You piece time people don't know what the wartime world is really like.
43:19 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and it's, yeah, that's what we have to just wrestle with, still, and I think that is, that's what you said, as well, like, you know, we like people are agreeing, we like people not agreeing, because we just like having this conversation, we like talking about these things, thinking about these things, and just, yeah, you know, we don't mind changing our opinions on someone if you have that, that's smoking gun or that, or that, you know, diarrhea, that's full of deep and deep theological truth.
43:48 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_00]: that you that we love seeing for something that's what I don't know we I'll say to like I just think these are really interesting things to I just imagine like I don't know is maybe a weird imagine about imagine like a car ride you're doing a road trip is summer for a lot of people and you're just travel around you put it on you and the kids and the family listen and then you go okay so what do we think I can feel like this could these kind of conversations for people just
44:13 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Comfortable casual conversations like there's no you know if we get a wrong on Francis Drake We tried our best right, but it just it opens.
44:20 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I find these really interesting And I say that because occasionally we do get comments from people and we haven't gotten too many since we first launched a show There was a couple negatives most people have been very all about it now, but like there was just some people like you know What's the point of even having a conversation like this?
44:32 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like
44:33 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about serious stuff.
44:35 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't we bring out these faithful topics?
44:37 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_00]: They can really help us look at different sides of our faith.
44:39 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I just I think they've led in my own personal life.
44:42 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_00]: These conversations have led to some really positive places.
44:44 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope they are for you as well.
44:46 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Last comment we have.
44:48 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: This was about so if you remember on the Francis Drake episode, it could have been a few weeks.
44:52 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: uh, he had a pastor on board that was preaching.
44:54 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He wouldn't let him preach anymore.
44:55 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And this guy says, Fletcher, preach a sermon, implying that their misfortune was divine judgment for the execution of Thomas Dowdy.
45:02 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Thomas Dowdy had led a mutiny or was kind of planning a mutiny, Drake killed him, and one of the past, they had a bunch of bad things go wrong, no win, and all this kind of stuff.
45:11 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And this guy kind of preached like, hey, it's God is mad at us for killing this guy.
45:15 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Drake took this very personally, which
45:18 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, um, trait that necessarily belief lecture possessed magical powers or had literally cast a curse and said he appears to believe lecture sermons were convincing the crew that got a curse to voyage, threatening discipline and his command.
45:30 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That distinction mattered there when sailors were deeply superstitious and interpretive storms, groundings and diseases that signs of divine favor of judgment.
45:37 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing Christian.
45:38 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_00]: about this one way or the other.
45:40 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I think what you're saying here, John is like, hey, he wasn't going after Fletcher because he was a Christian, but it also kind of say that Fletcher is not the greatest pastor if you're basically blaming the captain for the Lord's judgment in hand.
45:55 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, sailors, I just, I think I mentioned this in the recent episode, Red Moby Dick recently, and sailors are an interesting, lot, especially back in the day.
46:07 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm sailing on like a wooden ship in the middle of the sea storms and whales and sharks and giant squids and all and literally cannibals are all around me and I could see how you would become very superstitious.
46:20 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can make fun of them though, they're superstitious.
46:22 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Clint, we all know people who
46:24 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_00]: where are the same socks for every baseball game or something like that?
46:28 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we know that people can be very superstitious about silly things like sports.
46:31 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Now imagine it's life or death, right?
46:33 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like imagine your life depends on it and the people around you are all commences.
46:38 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a little I can see how superstition stuff would happen.
46:40 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And also,
46:41 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that uncommon in the 15 to 1600s for people to literally believe God directly judges you.
46:46 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a fire in London.
46:47 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I did a whole deep dive under my thoughts about it.
46:49 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_00]: How there was a fire in London and the people all said, God has matted us.
46:53 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: What did we do that caused this fire in?
46:56 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Even today when bad things happen, people will post and leave thoughts like, well, God's matted that could be like, I don't think that's what we should do every time or nothing like that.
47:03 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying that's still happening.
47:06 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: What do we think though, silencing the preacher, the way he did, I don't, it wasn't a good mark on his feet.
47:11 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think we never even consider it to be a Christian thing of him to go against the superstition.
47:19 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we actually sort of held it against him like he was just having an iron rule on that boat.
47:23 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:24 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He was actually sort of like making himself judge jury and executioner.
47:29 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was, yeah, that whole story also with Thomas Dowdy, there was a, I remember that that whole story how they had like the trial where he was being convicted of of mutiny and then they had the communion together and like good friends, you know, they were like, I'll put the ex like right here, I remember you making the joke actually like like they were like so good friends like.
47:51 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_01]: it was a lot of propaganda around Drake and and actually like looking through it like this like John does and this comment is really important when you think and talk about these things.
48:01 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you John for for your comment and I don't think I'm going to change my opinion on Drake if at all I'm still very very doubtful.
48:11 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually would say with more time between me and Drake more thought on it.
48:14 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I did like I said a bit more about wailers and seaships and
48:18 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If anything, I'm a little bit more in it.
48:19 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You're maybe your comments convinced me because there were several that came in and I was like, you know, maybe I was a little too easy on them.
48:24 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I like...
48:25 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_00]: to think that you know I like to think and try to see the best like okay if they're saying their Christian I I'm willing to forgive like a Christian who makes a lot of mistakes more than I am willing to forgive somebody who's like I'm a Christian but I don't believe in Jesus and Scott like for me I think there's a lot more mercy and grace for the mess up guy than that.
48:43 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought you know it's just a Charlotte main for me I am still more willing to say I think he's a Christian that not.
48:48 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and Mozart because I'm not seeing a lot of love for the Lord Jesus.
48:53 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a lot more willing to say no.
48:54 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see evidence.
48:55 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a Christian in Francis case.
48:58 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm more negative on him now after having spent some time away and having read the comments.
49:03 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think I've moved more to the direction I'm not sure he is a Christian.
49:06 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I do think he did a lot of good things and I'd like to think he was, but I'm not seeing nearly as much evidence for his faith as I'm hoping in wood.
49:15 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And now I might be moving more towards the camp.
49:17 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think he might have been more of a Christian in name.
49:19 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Only has the tough on that side.
49:22 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So first, this is definitely my first time looking at verdict where we say like your comments
49:28 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_00]: you have convinced you've moved me more closer to the negative camp within I think than not I not nearly as common positive and confident as I was when I was making the episode for him.
49:39 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there you have it.
49:40 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all the comments we have.
49:42 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I scroll down.
49:43 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing more here.
49:44 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So, man, I had fun.
49:47 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you had fun listening as well.
49:49 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_01]: My apologies if we drifted too far and we made too many jokes.
49:52 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just excited to get behind the mic again and talk about your comments and we love them.
49:57 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we really love going through all the comments and sharing them and even now, trails or anything before and like we might have too much.
50:05 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It might take too long.
50:06 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's too long, that's a very subjective term.
50:08 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's just let's just do it.
50:10 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get through them.
50:11 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's let's talk about these things.
50:12 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So keep commenting.
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50:22 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I think let me say next episode.
50:24 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's coming out.
50:25 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But now I don't know if that one's coming up before this one is is there one coming out like coming when say.
50:30 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Now this one's even next Wednesday for our time.
50:32 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know when this episode will air, but the next episode is, is it Charles Dickens?
50:38 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, it's, it's your personal favorite.
50:40 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna, I'm gonna make sure this one gets out before that.
50:43 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So this one, I'm gonna edit it and hope I get it out.
50:46 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost not even, it's almost didn't need to be made.
50:49 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's it's so obvious it's it's it's Troy's personal favorite it was actually also one of the The Pia's episodes one of the test episodes that we did and episode that I didn't need research for I just had to put a microphone in front of me and I was just able to go off and off and off on this first So let's just difficult not to retell who it is and you can you can you can find out Right after this episode comes out hopefully before that I set my own deadline out so Yeah
51:18 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_01]: More fun people coming.
51:19 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You already said that you already mentioned Dickens.
51:21 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He's coming as well.
51:22 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sorry about that.
51:23 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I just took these Dickens as a tough one.
51:25 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That took some research.
51:26 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty confident in the answer.
51:27 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We came to the conclusion of on that one.
51:29 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was a tricky one.
51:31 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like it was like, on the outside, it looks one way, but on the inside, it's, you know, a kind of a mode-sarty situation.
51:37 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And I won't spoil any other episodes.
51:39 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think you guys are going to like all the final episodes.
51:41 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that I think you're going to like all of them?
51:42 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we picked really interesting people and I'm excited for them all.
51:48 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I like them.
51:49 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You seem like a great guy.
51:50 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The next guy?
51:51 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: How dare you?
51:52 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, tune in in like a week and you'll see who we're talking about.
51:55 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, as soon as you see the name of the title, you'll be like, yes, it's a skip week because we all know, right?
51:59 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, listen, you'll want to see why.
52:02 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
52:02 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I hope we've we've made you excited for what's what's coming This was our feedback episode on Drake on Charlemagne and on Mozart My name is Mark my name is Troy you've been listening and If you could share this episode especially hey if you left one of those comments look at that Your comment made it on the show so now you gotta go share with all your friends and tell all your friends and family and everyone You know pastor people you meet on the streets the guy at the drive through let them know you're on an episode of Christian or not and let them know you made it
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