Girolomo Savonarola, a contemporary of Martin Luther and often considered a Proto-reformer, will end up executed for trying to bring Florence to Christ. Listen to his story and his sermon calling the people of Florence to repent.
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00:17 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Your sins, oath, Italy, O' Rome, O' Florence, your impilities, your immoralities, your cruities, all these sins of the cause of your suffering.
00:31 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Every episode, we bring you a different voice from history in the sermon that they delivered.
00:35 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Today, we're going to Florence, Italy in the year 1498.
00:39 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_01]: To listen to a sermon by Savano-Ralla.
00:44 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We've done a Savano-Ralla.
00:45 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like a lifetime ago, and we're back to do another one.
00:51 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Always interesting, going back to the 1400s, specifically in Italy.
00:54 --> 00:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's an odd place to revive thoughts to be.
00:58 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, because when you think about it, most of the people during that time would have been very much involved in the Catholic Church during almost the height of like, you know, purgatory and all that, which is what they seven are all such a such a unique guy that he is the kind of the stand out.
01:14 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about him really cool guy almost.
01:16 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's fair to say that he almost started the Reformation before Martin Luther at least something that could have been Reformation-ish, but he never it never takes off because of I think just where he was located and we've actually talked about people who almost caused the Reformation before and you're thinking, oh, did you guys talk about John Huss?
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04:34 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, this episode is really cool to me.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing 7 Arala.
04:37 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I really like 7 Arala anyway, but when I picked this sermon out, I did not know that at the time picking this sermon out, that I would actually be in Florence for only a day.
04:47 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Before a day this summer, so it was kind of cool to actually get to stand in the square where Savan Arala did some of these things, and so it was pretty neat.
04:56 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_02]: We can maybe talk about that more when we get to it, but Florence is a pretty place.
05:00 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, seven or I just call this guy, seven or I'll be because I don't know how to pronounce his first name.
05:05 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Tina pronounce his first name.
05:07 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his net.
05:07 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh, we didn't.
05:08 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you look at your feed, you'll see, what is that, Gerolimo?
05:11 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure some of you are going to have trouble just.
05:15 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it might be Gralamo, but they've got to be the worst.
05:18 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Seven or else, I was so sorry to tell you the answers.
05:20 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I've looked up seven or all, I've never looked up Gralamo, Gralamo, so sorry guys, I, you know, and that was about how it went for me in Florence.
05:29 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I would look at food and I'd be like, can I order this?
05:31 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I could just tell the waiter was dying on the inside.
05:33 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, nope, that's not how you say that at all.
05:35 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm weren't saying no how to say an Italian latte.
05:39 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Americana, but most of the words in Italian escape me.
05:44 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I was very full for pizza though.
05:45 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That was one I didn't know The title of this sermon is it's just called repent repent, which I like.
05:51 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a solid sermon title Submarallah.
05:55 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I like because
05:58 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: he's trying you know like it's it's such a hard time for him to be again if you're in Italy in the 1400s as we mentioned kind of like peak corrupt Catholic church era and you can see a guy that's clearly convicted and wanting to do something about it and
06:19 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He's trying he you know we have the hindsight of 500 years later looking back at it and you know what if you can of course look at it and go Oh Didn't didn't do a great job there or you know that wasn't a great decision or choice or
06:35 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: but it's interesting just to see what does it look like for someone in that era with those cultural environments that he's in trying to figure out how to navigate his convictions at that time and that's fascinating to me again.
06:53 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we can all agree.
06:55 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't all quite there as far as
06:59 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe what would be a good way to go about doing what he was trying to do.
07:05 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But he was trying hard and giving the environment, giving the times, you know, I don't think we should forget about the environment that he was in an environment that would eventually end up burning him, spoiler alert.
07:19 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was effective at being
07:25 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's easy to look back on some of these guys and God they did these things they got with that coming to them or whatever, but I mean A
07:37 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the height of the Catholic Church's power, and remember Martin Luther was way out there in Germany, and he's still almost got killed a few times.
07:46 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, imagine living right next door to Rome and trying to do your own version of it, and I think it really makes me appreciate just how hard what Martin Luther did was, and also just
07:57 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I appreciate guys who tried.
07:59 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't get there, but I appreciate that they tried It makes me feel better to know that there were other people seeing problems, and there are probably several others that maybe history doesn't really remember as well Seven arallas when those guys who did it and The deck was stacked against them.
08:14 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean you have room over on one side, and then we have the Medici Mafia family over on the other and I mean like I would
08:21 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think any political mastermind or genius could have gotten through that situation unscathed.
08:26 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And Savanarala was hardcore, not those things.
08:28 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_02]: He was hardcore a preacher, and so, you know, it was amazing he survived as long as he did.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, born in the year 1452.
08:37 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_01]: in Italy, I think, Renaissance.
08:40 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the Renaissance era, which is, I don't know, as a more artistic person in the era that I would have loved to see.
08:47 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The paintings, the statues, the artwork, this famous era was coming into existence.
08:52 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We're moving out of the medieval times, we're getting into the Renaissance times, which is exciting, but with that, as Troy mentioned, also comes crime.
09:01 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: we know we see powerful families rise up kind of this mob mentality also kind of take control of certain areas certain districts in the DCs were certainly the most powerful family in the DC.
09:15 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure it's
09:18 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Medici.
09:19 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Medici.
09:20 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Medici.
09:21 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The Medici.
09:22 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You're probably doing it with my fingers.
09:24 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, doing that.
09:24 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me a thing.
09:25 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Medici, tell me a thing.
09:27 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Medici, how do you say Medici?
09:30 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it might be like, I don't know why I feel like it's prop, it's, okay, Google says, Medici, Medici.
09:42 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's said Medici.
09:43 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Medici is for correct.
09:45 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that does that.
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09:56 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way around it.
09:57 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not, we're not, we're not phonetically.
09:59 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_02]: The whole class is still, you know, coming out there.
10:01 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I did read an article a long time ago before, not related to this, they actually did officially die off in like, early 1900s.
10:07 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They did a long way, so yeah.
10:09 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
10:10 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
10:10 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And so at this time, the, the, the Medici's, the Medici's were, this was kind of high peak power for them as well.
10:17 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And so this is an era where we're just before the reformation, pre-reformation,
10:23 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Height of the Catholic Church, height of your mob power, you know, within Italy.
10:29 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The Reformation is about 60 years off from starting, and Savelinorella, almost kind of jump starts his own Reformation here in Catholic Italy.
10:40 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: As young man, his family was wealthy, and his dad was a smart man, someone say a genius who helped ensure him and his six siblings had a great education.
10:50 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he was raised with the best education money could buy originally.
10:56 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to become a doctor.
10:58 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_01]: His grandfather was a doctor, and so he was going to follow in those footsteps.
11:01 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But around 20 years old, he made a career change.
11:05 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Once again, someone
11:09 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, shifts gears and becomes a pastor.
11:13 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And we know part of this reason that he wanted to make this career change because he documented it in a letter to his father.
11:20 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We actually have this that's survived.
11:23 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's examining this Renaissance world around him and he's saddened.
11:29 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: by it, and he writes, quote, the boundless misery of this world and the extreme unrighteousness of most men, the adulteries, thefts, idolatars, impurities, and hideous blasphemies, and quote.
11:43 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's this frustration with the sin in the world that drove him to
11:54 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And he also claims that there was a powerful sermon that he heard at church that convinced him to join the church.
12:00 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's funny, Troy, you know, I read that excerpt from that letter there, and you could 100% plug that into today right now.
12:09 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like it's just as applicable today as it was back then, it's a sad, a sad environment that we are living in.
12:17 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's interesting, too, because, yeah, I totally agree.
12:20 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that is a quote that could be said of many people who come to Christ like, I'm just, look around me.
12:24 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not worth it, but it's also interesting to me, because we consider that to be like the era of Italy.
12:31 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you visit Italy or something, you can see all the Renaissance aren't it?
12:34 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta see all the statues, you gotta see all these things.
12:38 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And we consider that, you know, the height of art, like we look at it today and we're like, ah, art isn't as good as it used to be.
12:43 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It used to be able to make these beautiful statues like David and all this stuff.
12:48 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And now we have this guy who's actually living there while it's being created in seven arollas.
12:52 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, well, this is such an awful, we've lost our way.
12:56 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just such an interesting perspective of like how
13:00 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how time changes the way we view things, how these statues that we view today as glorious works of art that we wish we could still make and we don't see as often back in his day the church was kind of you know he was like now we're wasting it and he makes a good point he makes a we'll kind of get to why he felt that way because I do think he has a good reason for why he's against it.
13:19 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: At one point, it looked like Saffron O'Reilly was on his way to actually becoming a big leader in the church, and I've never fully understood the leadership structure of the Catholic Church.
13:28 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody was on his way to become in the bishop, which is the one that moves the diagonal across the chessboard, or whatever his next steps were that we're going to make him somebody, but he...
13:38 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_02]: annoyed somebody he was meeting some higher ups and they were talking about a plan like just kind of off hand talking about a plan.
13:45 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: How they wanted to change some rules of priesthood to allow priest to own property.
13:49 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they must have kind of introduced it to them.
13:50 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we got some good stuff coming on the pipe for you guys.
13:53 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, it was bad day.
13:55 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I said, don't do that.
13:56 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_02]: This is not the way it's meant to be, pre-serment to be godly people.
13:59 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And this really bothered these guys.
14:01 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they kind of wrote them off.
14:03 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, we don't, you know, we don't see a future for you up in leadership.
14:06 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they kind of kicked them out to a professorial position in Florence.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was allowed to teach logic.
14:13 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And even that to me, I'm like, that doesn't feel like a demotion.
14:17 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But it must have been one in their day because it was definitely clear he kind of got sent there.
14:20 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, you're not going anywhere.
14:22 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll make you the professor of logic.
14:23 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a job, nobody wants, and to be fair that I don't know that that is a job that a lot of us want.
14:29 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_02]: While he was there though, he did some preaching on the side, but people didn't like listening to them.
14:33 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't like his accent.
14:34 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't originally a florist person.
14:36 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they didn't think he sounded very good.
14:38 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_02]: They thought he lacked elegance.
14:40 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And as he himself said of it, he said, he said, and quote, everyone in Newbie 10 years ago knows that I had neither voice, nor breath, nor preaching style.
14:48 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, everybody disliked my own preaching.
14:51 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's putting a blunt, that's what I mean, come on guy, have a little more confidence in yourself.
14:56 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure somebody liked your preaching, but apparently not very many people.
14:59 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was him 10 years ago, something must change that makes them such an important person.
15:06 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he first tried to get a master's of theology, but he was dismissed as not being a candidate for the degree.
15:14 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He began preaching in churches in different towns, and he kind of developed a niche of talking about the end times.
15:23 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: There were some people that said that he had a vision of the church being scurged.
15:27 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Other people just had the opinion that there was a time where he was studying first John and revelation a lot because that's what he was assigned to preach, like that's what he was given to talk about.
15:39 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's just kind of what he was associated with because that's what he was preaching on at the time.
15:45 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what kind of gave him the
15:50 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: uh, the end times and such, it seems like he kind of leaned into it.
15:53 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like he did find, uh, a niche they're talking about it and it kind of led to his preaching becoming, uh, more apocalyptic in nature.
16:02 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: This new preacher was stepping into, uh, the stage, and it kind of shifted his, uh, his persona.
16:08 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was a, a new,
16:10 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: person now this persona this preacher stepping on to the stage now returning to Florence was a man that was convinced that the world was going to in soon and that the church was in a fireplace of sin and so I'm kind of kind of shifting up
16:30 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: how he was perceived with the people, and people did perceive him differently, like it, there there was a difference there.
16:36 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was not super uncommon in this era, in this time, preaching in Florence, topics of in times.
16:46 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It were popular.
16:48 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That was like a thing, a fad.
16:50 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
16:51 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: This sounds like a weird word when talking about theology, but like,
16:54 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We thought we, I don't know, it's true.
16:56 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but it's true that there are fads like there are eras where like something is super popular for a while that won't be as popular later on.
17:05 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I hear people talk about like,
17:07 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: the focus on in time preaching being a relatively recent phenomenon, you know, like in the last 200 years or so, but it really wasn't like they had areas throughout history where again, like this is a good example.
17:21 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He preached about an evil tyrant controlling the world that the church would stand by in support because it was so full of sin and he didn't mention names,
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: but really, you know, he is like one of the things where he didn't have to.
17:34 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone could draw the parallels between revelation sermons that he was preaching and the Renaissance Catholic church that was all around him at that time.
17:45 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he, you know, would would be creative finding ways to kind of criticize
17:50 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: the church and the leadership in Italy in a way that was keeping it didn't get him in trouble too much, at least at this time he ends up getting in trouble later, but he kind of walked a tight rope for a little bit there.
18:03 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting, so it's kind of common these days to see online.
18:06 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_02]: People look at great pictures, I've seen this so many times, some different places, or you know, just heard people like
18:11 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_02]: They'll show a picture of some beautiful Catholic cathedral, beautiful church, and they'll kind of complain you know why aren't churches?
18:17 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Why don't we make churches like this anymore?
18:19 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And they usually use like a picture of a church that like took over a pizza hut or something like that?
18:23 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Or, and I will say, again, over the summer, we were in Florence, and you may wonder where does the church history podcasting guy get that kind of money?
18:32 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, a layover is how you do that layover and get to go there.
18:37 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty good.
18:38 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_02]: We were very tired,
18:41 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was a gorgeous city, absolutely beautiful, lots of statues and stuff like that.
18:46 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Lots of social media influencers running around video taping themselves everywhere, which that was kind of in the way of enjoying the city.
18:53 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be honest, but what kind of say, so next time, you know, guys, clear out of the way.
18:58 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I know you got your social media, but some of us are church history and joyers trying to, you know, get yeah, the way this stuff.
19:04 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to see the square where seven or all of us burned without having you people all over it.
19:08 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_02]: However, seven or all it, he saw it all.
19:10 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just wealthy extravagance.
19:12 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He hated it all.
19:14 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think we forget this when we talk about those big, beautiful churches from those areas, is that who pays for those churches?
19:21 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Those churches are not just, they don't just appear out of thin air.
19:24 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And the quote seven or all, and he says, the Catholic Church, he didn't say that by the way, he said, you know, he's saying the Catholic Church quote, makes the poor pay again and again and pay again.
19:35 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And in other words, like these beautiful things that we admire today, it looks so cool.
19:39 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish, why don't we do churches like that anymore?
19:41 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we don't do them because we don't sell indulgences.
19:43 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't take the money and use it to build churches.
19:46 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It costs a lot of money to build those kind of churches and the Catholic Church was fleecing people with their...
19:53 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... their pilgrimage sites and their their indulgences and all these different things they were doing to make money off people so they could build these extravagant churches and statues and stuff all over Florence and i think we kind of forget how did those things get there in the first place well they didn't get there uh... cheaply it was a lot of money and so seven or all of us calling people out like we're we're doing a terrible thing we're taking god's money or using it on all this stuff when we shouldn't be
20:21 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Now something quite remarkable began to happen in his life, and there are moments, especially in deep dives.
20:26 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel like this happens very often in our regular sermons, but before the reformation and in deep dive territory, you just have strange coincidences happen, and it's just one of those things where it's so strange you have to ask question, is it truly a coincidence?
20:41 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what you say about this story.
20:44 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But seven or all, it started kind of saying, I'm getting a vision, I foresee a king coming over the mountains.
20:50 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like a new Cyrus, climbing over the mountains, coming into Italy, you'll kind of make war against everything going on in Italy and it will, it will fix Italy.
21:00 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, we don't actually have any of his sermons that where he preached about this.
21:03 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're only getting this second hand, maybe some of his first hand, I'm not sure, but the sermons that he actually preached did not survive there, according to some of the research I did.
21:12 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're not sure what he said about this guy in this vision he supposedly have.
21:16 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But he says, it's really soon, there's going to be a guy.
21:19 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the very next year in 1494, the French Army crossed the Alps and attacked and destroyed many cities in Italy.
21:26 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And when they got to Florence, many people were like, hey, this looks like the fulfillment of your prophecy, Savano-Ralla.
21:33 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, they were so convinced it was the fulfillment that they sent Savano-Ralla to talk to the king, the French Army, and it kind of convinced him to spare Florence.
21:42 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And when he showed up, he,
21:44 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_02]: said like I had a vision that you were coming.
21:46 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You're the new Cyrus.
21:47 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to help save Italy from their problems and you're going to cleanse the church.
21:52 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: We will, you know, submit to you.
21:54 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_02]: We are friends.
21:54 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been telling the people you're coming now for a year.
21:57 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Will you, you know, back off get rid of the Medici's here.
22:01 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you help me put those, sorry, medici's and push them out of my city.
22:05 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And I will, I will run the city for you.
22:08 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is,
22:10 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It it worked like the king of France and they specifically mentioned like this was something that helped convince them not to destroy Florence as they were like, oh, cool, you know, oh, you were waiting for us.
22:20 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's very nice of you.
22:21 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, well, fine.
22:23 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're if you insist, um, you want to call us the great king Cyrus, I guess.
22:27 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
22:27 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're going to put you can run Florence, I guess.
22:29 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And having one again, it's like, okay, you could say us just a coincidence.
22:34 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a crazy person, maybe.
22:35 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, maybe, but it worked.
22:46 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So, during this time, Savanorella, this was like peak popularity for him.
22:51 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a very popular preacher.
22:52 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a pharmacist that wrote in his diary at the time he says, quote, he was held in so much esteem and devotion in Florence that there were many men and women who, if he had said to them, go into the fire would surely have obeyed him, in quote.
23:08 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I didn't realize this when I was writing the script, but hold that thought of walking into fire because in some ways, that is going to come back to bite him.
23:16 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: In 1495, and the following year, 96, he began work on changing the morality of Florence.
23:21 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was where we kind of...
23:25 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, uh, say what are you doing, savener all that with it?
23:29 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, was this really the best way to go about this?
23:31 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of kind of where the downfall, if it becomes both, you know, as we look back through history and also his perception there in Florence, uh, he won it, but you know, like,
23:41 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me talk about it first, and then I'll share my thought on it.
23:45 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He wanted the church to influence, he wanted the churches influenced to help create a more Christian city.
23:53 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he got together a brigade.
23:59 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He got together a brigade of boys, young boys, like from six to 18 years old.
24:05 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So kind of pre-teen teenagers, and they were tasked with going around the city and calling out immoral behavior that they saw and interrupted, right?
24:15 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So this would be things like going around and calling out women for their dress being too immoral.
24:21 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a diary entry that says,
24:25 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Seven Rela had encouraged the boys to oppose the wearing of unsuitable ornaments by women, and to reproof gamblers so that when anyone said, here comes the boys of seven Rela, every gambler fled.
24:38 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: However bold he might be, and a women went about modestly and dressed, and quote.
24:44 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So we do see like on one hand it did work, like it does sound like the women were addressing
24:53 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: gambling less and hiding, you know, because they didn't want, there were, there were that effects that were taking in place by these, those gang of boys that were going running, trying to keep everybody in check.
25:07 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But this would also just not make, it would make Savonarala a very unpopular person very quickly, and I think that is somewhat understandable.
25:16 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't
25:20 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Calvin, you know, in his city, he kind of was given something similar here.
25:24 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like what was something about people in this era where they just thought, hey, let's just make rules and then make people obey him and that'll fix society.
25:33 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you said that because that's exactly what I was thinking there to be fair.
25:37 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Calvin, I'm pretty sure it was running it with elders, not necessarily, I mean, some people say he had like families riding on each other, but not necessarily the children of the city were doing it.
25:47 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but, you know, like when we see Calvin do it in Geneva, Geneva flourishes, and it actually becomes a great city.
25:53 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he kind of works there.
25:54 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:55 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of worked there.
25:56 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and was it just that you were hiring children to do what you should have been hiring elders to do?
26:00 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, but then again, like, if you look at Calvin took like 10 to 20 years to get, like, he was very unpopular for a time and took a very long time for his city to embrace it, and maybe Florence just didn't have the patience for that kind of thing.
26:13 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, on the other hand though, again, was it just that you hired kids, and you know, you could say, well, he became very unpopular for this.
26:19 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Savinorolle cared.
26:20 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, I think he was more interested in getting rid of gamblers and getting women to dress modestly than he did actually, um, cared about the fact that he wasn't popular afterwards.
26:30 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I do wonder, like, I do think we're so removed from like this era, like, because Luther or Calvin, or Swingle, Swingle takes over a city.
26:37 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Calvin takes over a city.
26:38 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Calvin takes over a city, like,
26:42 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Like a southern Baptist preacher of a church gets so big that he takes over a city.
26:46 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
26:47 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be so crazy to imagine something like that today.
26:50 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, in the 1500s, it was pretty commonplace.
26:53 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like for the at least common enough that I can think of at least four different instances where the people of a church took over just kind of the town and how it was run for a while.
27:03 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I just I couldn't imagine that like imagine New Orleans, I guess Florence is not small.
27:08 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine like New Orleans gets taken over by one of the churches pastors need to start running it like it says church.
27:14 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It just would be so different than anything we can imagine today.
27:18 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a famous kind of festival that people would wear masks to and throw a giant party in Florence and you've seen these masks Like if you google like Florence mask, you'll see a picture and you'll go, oh, yeah, that's like that kind of special fancy mask and it was a big
27:33 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a big thing they would do, kind of right as the lint was getting ready to happen.
27:37 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You would go with these masks on, you'd go to dances, you'd go to drinks, you would go do a bunch of really sinful things before lint.
27:44 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So you were still going to do the Catholic stuff of lint, but the first you were going to do a bunch of very sinful stuff of lint.
27:50 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess kind of like Marty Garral, I think it's like that way too, before or after lint you'd throw a big party.
27:55 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_02]: kind of that style of stuff, right?
27:56 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_02]: You're doing stuff.
27:58 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very, very clearly like a religious thing.
28:00 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not doing this out of a heart for Jesus.
28:02 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You're doing this because it's the rules of your society.
28:06 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what it was going on.
28:07 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And it'll leave these people.
28:08 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing this big party where they wore masks.
28:10 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They could kind of quote, hide who they were and then they would go do bad stuff.
28:13 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they'd go do their
28:15 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, seven or all I didn't like that, because hello, we're supposed to be loving Jesus here.
28:18 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is a giant mess of what we're doing.
28:21 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So he held what was called, he replaced that party with what he called the bonfire of vanities.
28:27 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And he brought everyone to the middle of the city and started a giant fire.
28:31 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, throw your stuff in the fire that you need to throw away.
28:34 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really really reminds me of Ephesus and the book of Acts where like they took all their stuff and they they're spell books and their idols and they threw them into the fire And that's what they did influence.
28:43 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they took statues pagan idols card games and things for gambling and stuff and anything that was like bad everyone was so in it into the fire And it was a huge event that most of the city attended like it was a really big thing
29:00 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And we actually, the last time we covered seven or all of it, we were giving his sermon from the second part of that bonfire when he did the second version of that like a year later, and it was still a huge event in the city.
29:10 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And as still, people really did still like him.
29:13 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_02]: They saw him as sincere.
29:15 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_02]: He seemed serious, even if he was stripped, like he was the real deal and a time when many people weren't.
29:21 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, a rich humanist at that time wasn't even really fully on board.
29:24 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_02]: He was kind of on board with Christianity, but you know, he donated a ton of his property to savener all he was like, I just think you're such a good guy.
29:31 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I want you to keep doing what you're doing.
29:33 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And so you can see that this is.
29:36 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_02]: People like him, even though he's so strict, and he's having his brigades of kids running the streets.
29:42 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_02]: But his constant preaching against the church at the time, his constant meddling in politics, is starting to make him hire up enemies in the scene of Florence, and he was not ready for that.
29:52 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_02]: The people, although the people themselves may have been seen since he or her heart, the guys who control the levers of power are not so interested.
30:00 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So, this got the attention of the Pope, as you can imagine, and so the Pope called Florence to join in alliance between Italy and Germany against France, and since France was the protector of Savinoralla, he said, no to the Pope.
30:18 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good way to get on the bad side of the Pope, and so this led to his ex-communication.
30:27 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He was ex-communicated from the church.
30:28 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Savonarala ignored this, and went on preaching anyway, which obviously would get him into more trouble.
30:36 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He continued to work on building up the city, and to encourage the city to give up its sin and proclaim Christ.
30:43 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is also during this time where he wrote some theological works, there's a book that he wrote called The Cross and the Triumph, which was written during this time, about how God loved us and how we return that love when we love our neighbors.
30:59 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But eventually, the leaders in this city, you know, there's this debate, the pope saying you're excommunicated, you're bad, you're saying you're from God.
31:07 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_01]: What is, can we really trust you?
31:10 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was eventually forced to have this declaration of kind of supernatural guidance, right?
31:18 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was done by walking across a fire.
31:21 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And which, you know, that one diary entry said people were willing to do that.
31:27 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And actually they weren't he they are like he kind of because of the way I read it was like seven Arale was kind of like, I don't know if I think this is the best way to do this But one of his guys like jump forward is like I will walk on fire for you I believe in you so much seven Arale like you nothing will stop me don't from walking out fire And it kind of like was like well at that point you can't say no he's already volunteered Even if you're kind of thinking though like I don't know if this is the best way to do this so that kind of made things awkward
31:55 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I talk about, I feel like my life is stressful and awkward sometimes.
31:59 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine a city forcing you to walk across fire and one of your followers.
32:04 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Or to watch one of your followers across fire and the funny thing is, if you remember in our first crusade, the dive, way back in the day, they did that then too.
32:12 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: When the priest were like having all these visions during the crusade, they made them walk across fire and the guy did and he lived till the afternoon when he died from all the injuries from walking across the fire.
32:25 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So during this actual event, a bunch of rain came, and it actually flooded out the event, and obviously you can't walk on fire when the fire is put out by rain.
32:35 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: When you think, would maybe be seen as like a good thing, but apparently not, this was a bad thing.
32:41 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The crowd took this as a negative symbol that God was not with him.
32:46 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: after all.
32:48 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And so him and his followers were rounded up and with they just burned that on on like up here.
32:58 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Three of the major ones were burned, so three of them died and by the three main guys, you know, seven or all and like his two number two, you know, number two, three guys, they were the ones that died via the fire.
33:10 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And so this was the first time that leaders were killed by fire and Florence for the past 400 years at this point.
33:18 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was a big deal.
33:19 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: After they died, the crowd and Florence went into a massive party to make up for
33:26 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But on the flip side, I'd like to clarify, I made a mistake.
33:29 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I said, the Savanarala was burnt to death, but I'm gonna make a correction midway through here.
33:35 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_02]: He was hanged and then burnt to death.
33:38 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the old, the old two desks.
33:41 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So he was not, he was burnt, but he was probably killed by the hanging.
33:45 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if we had one of those fire shirts, you know, that we talked about in that episode.
33:50 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: The which one?
33:50 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The fire shirts, one of the, like the, what they were called for, they called you, like they would make new white shirts for people that were getting executed.
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember that.
34:01 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_02]: That way, I want to look into that more and still find that fascinating.
34:05 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That was like there's something.
34:06 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I know there's a situation in there somewhere.
34:08 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
34:08 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, but so a case you're going way to second, I googled it.
34:13 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_02]: He died by hangry and hanging.
34:15 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
34:15 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And also fire.
34:16 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
34:16 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a double death.
34:17 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Make sure he's super dead.
34:18 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, usually a sign of the Catholic Church was mad at you as when they killed twice.
34:22 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
34:23 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have the city went into partying mode because they were no longer bound by morality as seems.
34:32 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The other half though, where it was changed was impacted, right?
34:36 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So we see this effect.
34:37 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There were a good chunk of fluorescence that kept trying to found a republic years after words based on his ideas.
34:47 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe most importantly, despite his failures,
34:51 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: to re-centered the Catholic Church on Christ.
34:55 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_01]: His work and his ideas were read by Luther and Calvin, who both saw him as a predecessor to their own movement.
35:03 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Seven Raleh being actually somewhat of a contemporary of Luther's, he's older, but when he died, it was less than 20 years before the 95th E.C.
35:16 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: he's went up, so there is some overlap there.
35:21 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Luther Luther would have been a young boy when all this was going down.
35:25 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: How old was Luther when when he nailed the 90s?
35:27 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He would have been 15.
35:29 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, he wouldn't have been a young.
35:31 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Luther was 15 years old and 15 years old and I'm sure that the news of what was happening in Florence was pretty big deal across Europe.
35:40 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure at least at some point he got some news from that somewhere.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Luther was 15 years old when he nailed the 95th E.C.s.
35:47 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, Luther was 15 years old when when Salvin' a Rolla was burnt, hanged.
35:54 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_02]: He was, he would've been much more old.
35:55 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he would've been a much more old one.
35:56 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Almost, like, how old did I not?
35:58 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What is going on?
35:59 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea that he was a teenager, nailing these 95, no, no, I apologize.
36:04 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope I'm clear that when Salvin' a Rolla die, Luther was 15, so I feel like he would've been contemporary enough that, you know, what do you, you if you remember famous names from 15, you probably couldn't remember this guy.
36:14 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, wow.
36:17 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I would have been so neat to see just the influences on Luther going, because you're right, like 15 is like peak.
36:25 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: impact of, you know, when you're reading about that and hearing about that, that is, that is shaping who you, who you are and how you see the world.
36:33 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's interesting.
36:35 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So in four and third, the desire to see people repent and to give up their excess life was what motivated Sovonrel's work and his love for Jesus.
36:46 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's what motivates him in this sermon here that we're going to listen to.
37:05 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Do penance for the kingdom of heaven is at hand, back to 4.17.
37:12 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: O sinners, stubborn, lukewarm, and those who delay repentance until the last moment.
37:18 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Repent and turn back to God.
37:21 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Do it now.
37:22 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Do not put it off any longer, for the Lord is waiting for you, and is calling you even now.
37:28 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Hear these words, not as if they come from me, but as if they come from God Himself.
37:34 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Repent, look at how good and merciful God is, how deeply He desires to lead you to the safety of His ark and save you.
37:43 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Come, sinner, come, for God is calling you.
37:47 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel great sorrow and compassion for you.
37:50 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Join us in this Holy Feast of all Saints, which we celebrate today.
37:54 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_00]: When I reflect on your state, my grief grows even more.
37:59 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_00]: For I compare your misery to the joy and blessedness, the saints now experience on this Feast Day.
38:06 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_00]: out of love, I cannot help but feel profound sadness for you.
38:11 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_00]: The joy and contentment of the saints are so great that no words can fully express it.
38:17 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Nor can the human mind even imagine it.
38:20 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh foolish ones, who are willing to forfeit such peace and rest because of sin.
38:26 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Repent, return to God, and you will find perfect rest.
38:31 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Turn away from your sins, confess them, strengthen your result, to never sin again, receive the sacrament of Holy Communion, which will make you share in that blessedness.
38:42 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: When we observe those who have been converted and live as true Christians, confessing their sins and receiving Holy Communion often, we see in them something almost divine.
38:53 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They display humility and spiritual joy, and their faces seem to take an on and angelic quality.
39:00 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_00]: On the other hand, when we look at the faces of the wicked, those who are stubborn in their sin, and especially certain bishops who are unchecked in their vices, we see a room resemblance to demons, worse even than those of lay people, and yet these very bishops partake in the sacrament daily.
39:22 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Notice how differently this sacrament affects people, for the righteous it softens their hearts and produces perfect humility, for the wicked the opposite occurs.
39:33 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_00]: This led me to reflect.
39:34 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: If this sacrament, which calls us to believe and what we cannot see, brings such joy to those who receive it with pure hearts,
39:42 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: How much greater must the joy be for those blessed spirits who see him face to face and rejoice fully in his presence?
39:50 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, human heart, why do you not dissolve and melt in the presence of such sweetness and love?
39:58 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_00]: your sins, oh Italy, oh Rome, oh Florence, your empires, your immoralities, your cruelties, all these sins of the cause of your suffering.
40:11 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the reason for these tribulations, and if you've identified the cause of this evil, then seek its remedy.
40:18 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You eradicate the sins that bring about this misery, and you will be healed.
40:23 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Remove the cause and the effect will disappear.
40:27 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: If you eliminate sin, these tribulations will no longer harm you.
40:31 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you fail to do this, believe me, nothing else will help.
40:37 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You are deceiving yourselves, idly, and Florence.
40:41 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_00]: If you do not accept these words, penance is the only solution.
40:47 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Without it, everything else is futile.
40:50 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Do as you will, but it will all be in vain without true repentance.
40:54 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You will see.
40:56 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: O rich, O poor, turn to repentance, and you who are wealthy, give generously to the poor, redeem your sins with acts of charity.
41:07 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: you who fear God continue to do good and do not fear tribulations.
41:11 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_00]: For God will grant you great comfort even in the midst of them.
41:15 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Penance is the only remedy.
41:18 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_00]: If you sincerely repent, you will lessen the weight of your tribulations.
41:21 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Repent, remove the sins that are the root cause of all your suffering.
41:27 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You should realize by now that I speak to you as a father speaks to his children for your good.
41:34 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And you should see that God, in allowing these afflictions to come upon you, has given me to you as a father to guide you and correcting your errors so that you may deserve forgiveness when you stand before His judgment.
41:47 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Where Florence is the honor owed to me and to my superiors?
41:52 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is the respect and authority due to the Father and the unity that should exist among the children?
41:58 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_00]: If only you Florence would choose to do good.
42:01 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That is all I desire from you, my daughter, this and nothing more would be my reward and yours.
42:10 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Have compassion for me, I beg you for it is out of love for you and concern for your salvation that I grieve so deeply.
42:20 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: What am I asking of you, Florence?
42:23 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: If not that you be saved and do good, nothing else.
42:27 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I have heard from other cities that had I said and done there what I have said and done here, their people would have changed completely and embraced a new way of life.
42:37 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_00]: For this reason, I beg all of you, do not remain stubborn, but turn to God and repent without delay.
42:45 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: For I do not say this to you without cause.
42:48 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Up until now, I've spoken to you all in general terms, but seeing that it has made no difference.
42:54 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I find it necessary to address the specifics to some degree.
42:59 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_00]: O consecrated priests, listen to my words.
43:02 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: O priests, O leaders of the Church of Christ, renounce your offices that you are unable to properly serve.
43:09 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_00]: renounce your vanity, your lavish banquets, and your extravagant gatherings.
43:14 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Renounce, I say, your conquer binds, and your young lovers, for it is time, yes time to repent, because all these indulgences are the root of the great tribulations to which God seeks to restore his church.
43:29 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Celebrate the mass with true devotion.
43:32 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: For if you do not, and if you refuse to understand what God desires, you will ultimately lose both your benefits and your lives.
43:42 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_00]: On monks, give up the extravagance in your clothing, your silver vessels, and the excessive wealth of your abys and offices.
43:51 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Embrace simplicity, labor with your hands as your ancient forefathers the early monks did.
43:58 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: If you do not choose this path willingly, a time will come when you will be forced to do so.
44:04 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh nuns, I urge you to renounce your extravagance as well, renounce the sin of Simony, when you accept women into your monasteries for financial gain.
44:16 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Let go of the excessive adornments in the pompous ceremonies during the consecration of your sisters, abandon your ordnate and floored chance.
44:25 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I say to you, weep, weep quickly, for your faults and errors.
44:34 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Far more than the time to sing or celebrate with feasts, for God will bring punishment if you do not change your ways and habits, and if you will not reform, do not be surprised when destruction comes, and all is lost.
44:59 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: less voluminous and be made of humblur materials.
45:02 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you not see that your indulgence deprives the poor of the alms they need?
45:07 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: O brothers, O children, I must speak plainly and directly, so no one can say I did not know and use ignorance as an excuse.
45:18 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I am bound to speak the truth, and as the apostle Paul declared, woe to me, if I do not preach the gospel, 1 Corinthians 9, 16, woe to me if I stay silent, I warn you that if you refuse to heed the voice of God, he will shortly punish you.
45:39 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: own merchants, abandon your luxurious practices, return what does not rightfully belong to you and restore what you have dishonestly taken.
45:49 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_00]: If you refuse, be assured that you will lose everything.
45:53 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: O you who possess anything superfluous, give it to the poor, for it is not truly yours.
45:59 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Take it to the company of St.
46:01 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Martin, that they may distribute it to those who are too ashamed
46:06 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Those who often die of hunger while they will live in abundance.
46:10 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I urge you, give it to the good men of St.
46:13 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Martens.
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Take it to them.
46:14 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I do not ask for it for myself or for my brothers for it is not our rule to distribute alms.
46:21 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You, the poor, go to those entrusted with distributing the alms of the city and you will find help, but I tell you, whoever has excess must share it with the poor.
46:33 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And more than this, I tell you it is time to give even beyond what you consider surplus.
46:40 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, O priests, I must address you once again, though I mean only the corrupt ones for I honor and revere the good.
46:49 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Renounce, I say, that unspeakable vice, that cursed sin which has so greatly provoked the wrath of God upon you.
46:58 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: If you will not, woe to you, woe.
47:02 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: O you who are enslaved by lust, clothe yourselves in sackcloth, and perform the penance your sins demand.
47:10 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_00]: O you who fill your homes with vannities, obscene images and sinful books, including that morgant and other poetry that mocks the faith, bring these things to me to make a bonfire, a sacrifice to God.
47:26 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And you, mothers, who adorn your daughters with extravagance, vanity and ornate hair ornaments, bring all these items here as well, so we may throw them into the fire.
47:38 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: When the wrath of God comes, let him not find these things in your homes.
47:43 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_00]: This I command you as your spiritual father.
47:47 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If you will act in accordance with what I have told you, if you renounce these sins and offer these sacrifices, you alone will be sufficient to appease the wrath of God.
47:57 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I fear I must bear you for grievous tidings."
48:11 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of, this is a pretty short, you know, script of a sermon and it's, I'm not even sure if it is, even the full sermon, it looks like it almost kind of cuts off there at the end.
48:21 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's kind of just addressing different groups in Florence and he's like, hey nuns, you know, here's why you need to repent, hey moms, here's why you need to repent, hey rich people, this is why you need to repent.
48:30 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's such a straightforward sermon.
48:34 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_02]: and it would be so easy kind of dismiss it like we hear such elegant sermon sometimes today such beautiful wordings people can create that just perfect sound bite and I don't think savenerala would have had that sound bite culture or he has that you know perfect turn of phrase
48:49 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_02]: But I do, I really appreciate still what he was trying to do, just telling people to repent and telling people they were in sin and just being very straightforward and very bold about it.
49:00 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And a very rich, just, you know, culture of extravagance and basically a Babylon, right?
49:07 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, just everyone can have what they want, all the time, everyone's happy, everyone's having fun.
49:12 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, reminds me of Vanity Fair from Pilgrim's Progress or something.
49:16 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And then this guy just shows up and it's like repent, repent, repent.
49:18 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You're all, you know, you're all wrong.
49:20 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_02]: What you're doing is bad.
49:21 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And the end is coming.
49:23 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And what are you doing?
49:24 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And look.
49:26 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_02]: regardless of parts of that that you may say I don't know if I would do that I do think sometimes we need people like that though who just come through and say look what do you do and what do you do and waste in your time on this nonsense stuff repent believe in Jesus let it go all that money all that fame all that social media cloud all that stuff you're pursuing all those hobbies and things and all that time spent on entertainment all that stuff that you're pursuing let it go already it doesn't matter just just throw yourself to Jesus and feel feel
49:53 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, some shame for it already, like it was a turn to go hot.
49:56 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's straightforward, it's blunt, it's plain and simple, but I do think that honestly, I think in the world of extravagance, that people like that live in, that all honestly, a lot of us live in, I think that's almost the best way to reach us.
50:09 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We try so hard, work so hard to phrase everything just the right way, but I almost think we're just missing the simple truth of just getting there and telling them to repent already.
50:17 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be.
50:20 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Seven Aralec captured the heart of his very pleasure filled city of Florence at the time.
50:26 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It was able to at least for a time impact them.
50:29 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Whether or not everything he did well worked out, of course, it did not.
50:32 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But his preaching of just simple straightforward preaching for a time worked.
50:37 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that we should harken back to that and also be grateful that we do not to live in times like his where we're going to get burnt and hanged for our ideas.
50:51 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Theology and schools and stuff that Savanoroll had didn't have access to any of that.
50:55 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_02]: He was just swinging from the hip to doing the best he could, and I think he has two metaphors there.
51:01 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, the point is he was doing the best he couldn't his time, and he has access to so much more.
51:07 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that we can still speak the truth as plainly emboldly as he did, while still being very grateful that we don't have to have the lack that he did.
51:30 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for listening to today's episode of Revived Thoughts that he's sermon was narrated by Nick Garland, big thanks to Nick for coming back and reading another sermon.
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