Joel and Troy discuss Troy's argument proving God exists using nuclear weapons. Listen and enjoy!
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Revived Thoughts is a production of Revived Studios.
00:09 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_01]: This is Troy and Jill.
00:10 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You're listening to Revived Thoughts.
00:18 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Troy said they were doing a revived conversation, I love doing revive conversations.
00:23 --> 00:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know much about what we're talking about today yet, but you said, Joe, I want to talk to you about a, I want a two or five conversation about something involving nuclear warheads.
00:33 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, say no more, I'm in, let me save it for the pod.
00:38 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll come on and do that.
00:39 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_01]: People often ask us about these revived conversations, and they'll be like, are they scripted?
00:44 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you put it all together beforehand?
00:46 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
00:46 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have research in front of me, but there's not scripted.
00:50 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, sometimes Joel and I kind of intentionally leave the other person in the dark, so we can get their thoughts.
00:55 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_01]: raw like it's really so we really if we argue if we fight if we disagree it's not for the show here really arguing fighting or disagreeing or whatever it is or thinking these thoughts on air which is a little dangerous because sometimes we get to the end of it I'm like I don't know if I would have said it that way had I thought that through more but yeah okay but but first but first but the first uh before we jump into the episode uh
01:20 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.
01:20 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I finally get to talk about my new project I've been working on.
01:23 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, listen to it.
01:25 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You're aware of it because you've seen the trailer in the feed, but in case you haven't, there's a new podcast that I've been working on.
01:31 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's finally out there for you to listen to.
01:33 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's called Real Missionaries in Real Time and the premise of the show.
01:38 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea of the show is that we
01:41 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_00]: track a fixed group of missionaries, the same group of missionaries throughout the course of the year and kind of get to experience ministry with them in real time.
01:51 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And kind of the premise of it was that like it seems like a lot of
01:56 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Missionary podcasts are all retrospective.
01:58 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We're all looking back on things that have happened But there's nothing that's really kind of documenting what current ongoing missions looks like right now And so that was the that kind of the inspiration for a show like this is like, what if we eat what if we?
02:15 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of were embedded with missionaries and got to hear monthly updates about what's going on in their ministry, how people can be praying.
02:23 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the next month we get to check back in and hear how things went and hear what's coming down the pipeline next.
02:29 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And this was actually something that Troy, in one of our mini brain storming exercises that we two throughout the years, Troy's a big idea.
02:38 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a good idea, it's a guy.
02:39 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I have so many ideas like so many ideas, it kills me actually, but that years and years years ago, this was the current realization of it isn't exactly what you were mentioning, but it's an evolution of the better.
02:53 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a better idea, Joel, you're ran with it, you took a dream and you made it real, come on yeah.
02:59 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited.
03:01 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I really hope, I mean, that the kind of the intention was to have a show that helps people and the church just feel closer to mission, to make it real for people.
03:11 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, not as like a retrospective story, but it's something that is currently happening and ongoing right now.
03:17 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's something you can be involved in and be praying for and to be a part of, we'll link to it down below.
03:23 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You can also just search real missionaries in real time.
03:26 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the first month, so I'm introducing the different missionaries that are going to be on the show and then in subsequent months.
03:33 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We circle back around with them and we get updates.
03:36 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.
03:37 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a ton of fun and I enjoy getting to hang out with missionaries and hear about what they're doing from month to month.
03:47 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know much about that, but I will say you should listen, you should subscribe, you should go give him five stars because those things help a lot, help tell people if you know.
03:58 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: If you know somebody who's serving overseas, send them this link.
04:01 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They might find like, hey, this is super relatable.
04:04 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I totally know what these people are going through.
04:06 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And likewise, if you know people who a young person is interested in this, maybe send they outgrow up to be that, send them this link.
04:12 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They can learn more about what it is.
04:14 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember,
04:16 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Joe mentioned this idea.
04:18 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We had our brainstorm session.
04:20 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I do remember that because I remember when I was living in China many years ago, I thought to myself, maybe I still is no podcast that had like, what other people will feel about this?
04:28 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was nothing like that.
04:30 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can't believe that in the, I think 10 years or so since that time, you know, nobody's come up with this yet.
04:37 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know I can think of many reasons logistically why nobody has, but it's going to be, it would be such a good resource.
04:42 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I can imagine.
04:43 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: future mission organizations and maybe I'm dreaming too big for your Joel, but I can imagine future groups in the future being like, hey, you want to be interested in missions, that's great.
04:52 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, here's one thousand different pieces of paperwork that we're not going to read because we're going to just have you say them all to us again like 45 times during their interviews.
05:01 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But oh, and also you should listen to real missionaries in real time, but Joel is a great show that kind of looks into the life of being this and it kind of help you get an idea of what it's like.
05:10 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think will happen.
05:11 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really excited for you Joel.
05:13 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to do really well.
05:14 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's an idea that's time has come.
05:17 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're listening, please make sure you add that to your podcast feed.
05:20 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that your podcast feed is our show, is Marta's missionaries, and now you get to add this one too.
05:25 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and I'm excited to bring over the revive studio audience to listen to it and let me know your thoughts, you know me and the revive studio audience we've been together for a long time now so you can be honest, you know right right in and let us know your thoughts as you gather your thoughts about about the show, but it's an exciting concept and I
05:44 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that being co-hosts of your current podcast?
05:46 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Can also be really honest and really, really, like you have it, please.
05:49 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right.
05:50 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's important, lay of all.
05:51 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let us say.
05:52 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for sure.
05:53 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, good.
05:54 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to really come after you then with a really, really technical, critical detail slashes.
05:58 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, OK, we're going to definitely give it to you.
06:00 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It is going to be great.
06:02 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is, I think you said, if I recall, last thing we'll say, maybe on this, but it's a seasonal show.
06:06 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And so any ideas that people can give you, then, you can apply that to future seasons as well and continue to make it even better.
06:13 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
06:14 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the current plan is to do like a nine-month stretch with missionaries and then Possibly rotate those out for new missionaries or if they want to continue on we can continue them on as well But that's kind of the format that we're we're operating on right now
06:30 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm not even just saying this for, you know, your advertising pitch, but I'm actually excited to listen to this.
06:35 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious what people are doing around the world, you know, saying like, I wouldn't know what's going on in these locations that you guys have.
06:42 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm curious if it's the same stuff in other places in the world or not.
06:46 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be exciting.
06:47 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be good.
06:48 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we should probably jump into the episode.
06:50 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds good.
06:51 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Troy, lay up for me what we're talking.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
06:55 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Dom, I'm going to pitch you just something small, something I've been working on when you were creating a super cool new show.
07:01 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I, the other day, created a new argument for God, like a new philosophical straight from the top of the bottom argument for God.
07:08 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've run it through two different AIs that also agree, nobody has made this exact argument.
07:13 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: They've said they're very close ones, but they're no one has made.
07:15 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They even did that logic theorem, like, if A, B kind of thing, and it's like, if you were going to formulate it, it would look like this.
07:21 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they kept you in like, but I don't know, you know, anything you could, they would argue.
07:26 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They would say, well, you know, I'd be like, give me the downsides AI.
07:29 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And the AI would be like, well, you know, it could just be attributed to luck.
07:32 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, but if the only explanation we have for this is either my argument for God, or luck is probably a pretty good argument for God.
07:41 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, because we could just say that you're just trying to give to luck what should go to God.
07:47 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: What am I talking about?
07:48 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's come back very confused.
07:49 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm very excited to see how this is going to tie into New Zealand.
07:53 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so I saw, recently I was, I found a book, you know, bookstore, $1.
07:59 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was in like the 30th section.
08:01 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was by kind of a person who's slightly inspired revised studios as slight even the right word to use for as name as Dan Carlin.
08:08 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote a history book, The End is always near.
08:10 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And he had a very long chapter
08:15 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It opened with this quote that really stuck with me as by Bertrand Russell, which says, you may reasonably expect a man to walk a tight rope safely for 10 minutes, but it would be unreasonable to expect him to do so without accident for 200 years.
08:31 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: and the point the person who made the birth of the book was was like it's kind of amazing that and he said it denies explanation.
08:37 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no explanation for the fact that humans have never accidentally or intentionally blew themselves up with this power that we now have.
08:47 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I would say, well, we've been walking this tight rope for 81 years.
08:53 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: How was it that humans have been walking with this power to destroy the entire earth and have not done so yet?
09:01 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: How have we really been so successful?
09:04 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And then my argument is going to be, I don't think we're on a tight rope at all.
09:08 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we've been wearing a safety harness and we didn't even notice.
09:13 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the reason why humans are not going to blow themselves up, have not blown themselves up and will not blow themselves up is because God is protecting us.
09:20 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually an argument for God.
09:23 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that we humans have had the ability for over eight decades to destroy the entire earth and we have come
09:30 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Incredibly close to doing so many, many, many times, but we never have, is not because of pure luck.
09:38 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not because of just a bunch of accidents that went the right way.
09:41 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It is actually because God is protecting humanity this way.
09:44 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to let us blow ourselves up.
09:47 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And, so that actually a pretty difficult argument to destroy, because the only way you could really destroy it is if you actually do set off the nukes.
09:54 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But at that point, my argument doesn't matter because we're all dead anyway.
09:59 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of is that the conclude so is that's my pitch that's my proposal now I can walk you through the many many accidents and the many many near misses humanity has had Okay, because it's one thing to hear that and go.
10:13 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we had heat we had nukes big deal But can I just go through the number of ways we've almost blown ourselves up in the last eight years?
10:20 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure And then you try to explain to me how we have not blown ourselves up without God
10:26 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
10:28 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Versiders, how many nuclear bombs have we dropped, Joel?
10:31 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Two.
10:33 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Two nuclear bombs, one on Hiroshima, and one on Nagasaki, correct?
10:37 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
10:38 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Except that's not true.
10:40 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Two in anger.
10:42 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that a better way to say it?
10:44 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: In correct.
10:44 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We have accidentally dropped multiples of not nuclear bombs from the sky.
10:50 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Multiple times.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We just have only had two go off.
10:54 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We dropped a nuclear bomb outside of Quebec.
10:58 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: in Canada, in 1950, it just takes a little bit.
11:03 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's still a nuclear bomb falling from the sky, though.
11:06 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we dropped it, right?
11:08 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's your fell.
11:08 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't.
11:09 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Gage the type of languages you're using here.
11:12 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
11:13 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's say another one.
11:14 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know, in an over Spain, we accidentally dropped four nuclear bombs on Spain.
11:22 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And we didn't find one of them for 80 days because it was in the ocean.
11:27 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_01]: but they also didn't go off.
11:30 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We've accidentally dropped multiples of nuclear bombs.
11:34 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We only count here a shaman in Nagasaki, like I said, because those were our intentional ones.
11:38 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We dropped out of anger or to end the war or whatever.
11:40 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to a number of nuclear bombs that have fallen in a sky and landed somewhere, the number is actually higher than two.
11:46 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just by pure luck, okay.
11:49 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Pure not providence that those didn't actually go off.
11:52 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: those have to be armed in a very specific way, they were, they were not.
11:57 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They were not.
11:58 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They were.
11:59 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: No shot.
12:00 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way that, why would they armed, no, no, they have to go through.
12:05 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Those were that went off over Spain.
12:07 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We're genuinely armed because they were actually doing, then you know back in the day when they had those planes doing 24-7 flybines, that was one of those planes.
12:14 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It crashed with the plane that was refueling it in midair.
12:17 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I might want to look into this further to validate but go on.
12:22 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: If you guys thought you were a nuclear bomb, I thought you would be all about.
12:24 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you'd be spilling your own examples as soon as I mentioned this time.
12:27 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't give you a wrong.
12:28 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We've had a lot of nuclear bomb accidents, but it takes a very specific set of procedures to make a nuclear bomb go boom when it drops out of an airplane into my knowledge.
12:41 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if any of that of met those requirements that weren't intentional.
12:45 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It is true that a nuclear bomb does take some exact set of things.
12:49 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And clearly, by the fact that we still have a Spain and we still have a Quebec, you know, they didn't hit all of the exact things perfectly in the way that you would need the bomb to do so.
12:58 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Or we accidentally knew clear bomb Spain and Quebec in our maps wrong, right?
13:03 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: However, here's the thing.
13:05 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It also would you agree, Joel, that throwing a nuclear bomb out of an airplane at any point is probably considered pretty dangerous.
13:12 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when we move nuclear bombs around a nuclear facilities, we tend to handle those things with kid clubs, right, because you're not supposed to throw them out of airplanes.
13:21 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And so would you also agree that even if it doesn't have every single switch flipped, dropping it from a crashing from a plane and falling below surrounded by fire, and all of that kind of stuff that an airplane crashing has, it's pretty fortunate that it didn't actually go off at all.
13:37 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I think I'd push back on like the the fail saves that are in place.
13:42 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you might you might rupture in 19.
13:45 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
13:46 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll push.
13:47 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to push back on you in 1950.
13:48 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're not talking 20 to 26.
13:51 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking 1950.
13:52 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They did not have the internet.
13:55 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They did not have like 90% of the technology we use on a daily basis today.
14:00 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: but you're expecting that they have the perfect combination of flip switches and fail sails to ensure that every bomb that the bomb is perfectly safe to throw out the window as long as it doesn't I mean if that's the case and why were they handling them so gently I think more on and we have nuclear reactors melting down around the same time yeah I'm not a nuclear physicist I don't know you know like I don't you lie to the audience they know you're a nuclear physicist
14:28 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the worst that could happen was that you'd get radioactive debris scattered along the drop zone Like I said they did Sure, yeah, and don't get me wrong.
14:37 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a bad day.
14:38 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Like no-one wants that to happen But I think it's semi-impossible for it to cause a nuclear explosion that brings us to point number two
14:47 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There had been also times when people had the switches to flip, where they were armed, and these weren't accidents for the nuclear bombs just fell from the sky like in Spain and Quebec.
14:57 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: These were also incidences where they intentionally armed them with the intent of blowing up people around the world.
15:06 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's take a great example.
15:08 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Cuban Missile Crisis.
15:09 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: everyone is probably heard of maybe vaguely remembers in their history class or perhaps you are listening and you were alive during the Cuban Missile Crisis as it was not that long ago to incredibly stressful weeks for the United States of America and the Soviet Union had a face off.
15:25 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The Soviet Union had been secretly building missile launch systems in Cuba so they could hit any part of America with nuclear missiles anytime they wanted to.
15:33 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas when the US found out about that, they didn't know whether or not Russia already had the nuke there.
15:38 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_01]: They did not know what the timeline was for getting the nuke there.
15:41 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They called Russia, became a big standoff, ends with America having a bunch of ships on one side, blockading Cuba from the Soviet Union and the whole world kind of held with Baytidbreath with the United States and Russia go to nuclear Armageddon or not.
15:58 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot that went into that.
16:02 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But there were also two incidents.
16:04 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw by the way, weirdly, the same two weeks for America and Russia almost went to nuclear war.
16:10 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And it affects everybody because if these two countries blow each other up, but there are tens of thousands of more heads, the entire world goes down.
16:18 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But also China and India, the two biggest population centers in the world, also had a short war during that same two week period.
16:24 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So kind of a crazy time period to be alive.
16:28 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But there are also two incidences that happened.
16:30 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: One of them is quite famous.
16:32 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of them is less famous, where we almost tripped the cube.
16:36 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So that already extremely tense situation.
16:38 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Almost got tripped twice by two different failures.
16:42 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The first one is kind of well-known.
16:43 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a captain of a Soviet nuclear submarine.
16:47 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He started seeing charges that kind of bombs they put in the water that can blow up a submarine for whatever reason.
16:52 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: were falling around his submarine.
16:55 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He thought that they were under attack.
16:58 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: All odds were that the allies were dropping these bombs to take down the submarine.
17:02 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: They were trying to reach out and communicate with Moscow and ask, you know, hey, are we at war with America?
17:08 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: When they went underwater in the last time they communicated, it was the middle of the Cuban missile crisis, things could have gone badly.
17:14 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I launch a nuclear torpedo or not at these ally ships and destroy them?
17:20 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of doing the launch, and despite the fact that these charges were detonating around them, he decided to come up for air and check in on what was going on and turn out the allies were not dropping real charges on them.
17:31 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: They were dropping fake ones to get him to come up for air to see what he was doing.
17:36 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They only knew a submarine was there.
17:38 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't know he was a nuclear submarine.
17:41 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And they wouldn't have dropped them if they had known that.
17:43 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: If he had launched that nuclear torpedo thinking they were at war, he would have started war war three for sure.
17:48 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And he almost did.
17:50 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of protocol to do so and he couldn't communicate with Moscow.
17:53 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But he took the risk and lifted his submarine up to see if he could communicate with Moscow before he launched the nuclear torpedo.
18:01 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We were that close.
18:02 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: to set it off or we were one captain of a submarine called away from doing so.
18:09 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: At the exact same time, in the same two week period, the United States had another similar close to a call.
18:14 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a belief among all of the US military bases.
18:18 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: that if America and Russia went to nuclear war, Russia would attempt to sabotage their nuclear bases first, you know, you will launch the nukes, but you won't be able to, because we sabotage you.
18:29 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the US bases were very high alert.
18:32 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, one guard saw a shadowy figure,
18:35 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: breaking over the fence and trying to get through the fence.
18:38 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So he shoots at this person and when he shoots at this person, this puts the base on high alert while the base sets off their alarms.
18:45 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The base had been told in Montana, I think it's in Montana.
18:50 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: that if these alerts start going off, uh, you have to go to war.
18:54 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: These planes seem to lift off and take off.
18:56 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There will be no drills.
18:58 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: One sealants are on.
18:59 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: These planes seem to get in their air and fly over to Russia.
19:02 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: As the planes are getting ready to take off, the people are able to like wave them down and let them know.
19:07 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: This was a false alert.
19:09 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: What caused this false alert?
19:10 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That almost sent a bunch of flyers flying toward Russia in the middle of the Cuban missile crisis.
19:15 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: A bear.
19:16 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: A bear was attempting to get over the fence, which caused the guard to shoot at it.
19:20 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't see it was a bear, it was a shadow we figure.
19:22 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He shoots at the bear.
19:23 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The bear runs away.
19:25 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They eventually, they don't actually never did find the bear, but they're pretty sure it was just a bear.
19:29 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how close again, in the same two week period, Dearing the Cuban Missile Crisis, we had two different military incidences that almost led to World War III.
19:40 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And if that World War had happened, nuclear Armageddon, and that's just for two weeks in October of 1962.
19:46 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: There are well-known dozens and dozens of these incidences.
19:50 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, the estimate could be as high as 200 different times where nuclear things went that close to going down.
19:58 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_01]: In France, there was a thunderstorm that messed with their communication system.
20:02 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They thought nuclear and again had started.
20:04 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: They scrambled their fighter jets and got them up in the air.
20:07 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that Russia also has another very famous incident with Captain Stanislav, who also saw and read a communication saying it looked like America was sending five nuclear missiles his way.
20:17 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes against his superior officers and will not turn in the report saying nuclear armor again is happening.
20:23 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If he turned it in, the protocol was to attack back.
20:26 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't turn it in, and it found out it was a technological error.
20:29 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It had been a new system that had made an error.
20:32 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Another time in NATO, they almost also launched nuclear bombs because nuclear missiles look like they were on the way, and it was a radar misreading the moon rising.
20:41 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, there are almost 200 instances like this.
20:44 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That we know of.
20:45 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the ones we know of between Russia and America.
20:48 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: This doesn't include the ones that places like China have never released, because I can't imagine they have none.
20:53 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They just don't tell you about them when they happen.
20:56 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, those same soldiers in Montana, they also have a weird story about apparently, and this is just their story.
21:03 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_01]: In 1967, at one point, they went according to I witnesses, and you couldn't look this up, I don't believe it's true, but this is what they say.
21:11 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They went to launch nuclear weapons, or not launch nuclear weapons, they went to get ahold of nuclear weapons, but they lost their ability to run the nuclear weapons because of UFO flow over.
21:20 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't think of UFO probably actually flew over.
21:23 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think UFOs are that interested
21:26 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But that should that scare you that the people who think and who are running the nuclear weapons think that UFOs are flying like and that actually statistically speaking UFOs are more likely to be seen by nuclear sites than anywhere else.
21:39 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, that either aliens are real or
21:43 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The people in charge of nuclear facilities are seeing UFOs in the sky all the time and that's kind of creepy too So does that give you a lot of confidence in the people who are running these missiles like yeah They're normal people except for the fact that they see UFOs in this all the time Oh, and one more thing that same camp in Montana Actually the one where the bear was it was constant the camp in Montana was the UFO camp They also got caught in 2014 cheating their nuclear launch code tests and got a big scandal where hundreds of officers were found
22:11 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_01]: to be cheating on their test to get the promotions and stuff they are passing out the answers beforehand.
22:15 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That test is very strict and the only way to get the promotions to get 100% on it and people weren't passing it so they started kind of under the cover passing those tests.
22:24 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So now we know that there was a group of people who were had access to these launch codes who didn't even pass the test to have those launch codes.
22:32 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you run these stories one after another, bomb mistakenly dropped on Savannah in 1957 by an emergency release pen.
22:41 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That one didn't have the plutonium in it, but still, there's a lot more of these than there should be, right, Jill?
22:47 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Like in many times, can we drop a bomb on a group of people?
22:50 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Or almost have something go off by a group of people before we start to go?
22:54 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a little suspicious.
22:56 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I see a little bit of holes in your logic.
22:58 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, good, so I've been, I've prepared counter arguments for everything.
23:03 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy, I'm ready to go.
23:04 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me start off by just asking, what makes you think, like, what, what is your premise that makes you operate on that?
23:13 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that we won't all be wiped out and killed?
23:16 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, why aren't we just inevitably a moment away from everyone being wiped out?
23:21 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So here's a couple of things that I think we need to keep in mind.
23:24 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: A historically speaking, humans have developed, have had a pension for war in blood that goes all the way back to the very beginning, all the way back to Cadenable.
23:33 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And whenever one civilization has developed technology that gives them an edge over another civilization, they use that technology, whether it's a long bow, whether it's saddles on horses, whether it's the musket, they use it, and they use it against their enemies very, very willfully.
23:49 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, colonialism would not have worked if the Europeans that conquered different places put down their guns and picked up spheres and arrows to fight fairly with the other colonies.
23:58 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we know that they did great tragedies and atrocities with the technology they used.
24:03 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was the way all human history worked.
24:06 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: when the machine gun was used, it was used on the other side in World War I, when the tank was invented, they immediately rolled it over to attack their enemy.
24:13 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The Italian bomb is where things suddenly shift.
24:16 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We used it on America, used it on Japan once, and then never used it again.
24:22 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: that could have been used in the Korean War on North Korea.
24:25 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It could have been used in the Vietnam War in Vietnam, and it was actually authorized at different points to be used in all of these different instances of war.
24:36 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet, for some reason, with this one weapon, and you could also maybe throw,
24:42 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: biological weapons as well in there.
24:45 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We suddenly have the ability to wipe out our enemies and we don't use it and it goes against human history When the black play the reason the black plague spread to Europe is because when the black plague hit a group of armies in Turkey
24:59 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_01]: They catapulted the dead bodies of their people into that city.
25:03 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And the people in that city jumped on boats and went to Europe trying to escape it.
25:07 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like humans didn't care if they killed many, many people for a very long time.
25:11 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just what you did to your enemies.
25:13 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They would take in the destroy and pillage and burn.
25:16 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: until, certainly, they solved.
25:18 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: When they created a weapon that was absolutely massively powerful, you could use it to control the entire world.
25:24 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But for the first time, the people who have that weapon don't use it.
25:27 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, they created system upon system, upon system, to not use it.
25:34 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And that goes against everything we've ever done.
25:36 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You create weapons and we use them to control other people.
25:39 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we've created weapons and we do everything we can to make sure none of us use them.
25:43 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But you're arguing that you're talking through is a human nature one, it's one of the dynamics of humanity as a whole.
25:51 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm asking more of just like broadly speaking what makes you think humanity has to live.
25:57 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like, I think that the reason why is because I think God has not determined that humans are going to wipe ourselves out with a nuclear bomb.
26:04 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it makes sense that given human nature, given everything we know about history, given the way we've always used every other weapon, that we suddenly stomped using this powerful weapon so that could wipe us out right at the time period when we could.
26:21 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make sense to me that we would do everything else the way we always have, and then we suddenly develop the ability not to, especially because and I didn't even get into some of these, we did actually authorize the nuclear weapon.
26:31 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We authorize nuclear weapons against China when China was going to invade Taiwan in 1956.
26:38 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Richard Nixon authorized nuclear jets into the air to bomb North Korea when North Korea actually shot down one of our planes.
26:46 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he unauthorized them a couple hours later after he was convinced not to and at least according to one report he might have authorized them while drunk.
26:54 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Which means not only did humans have this ability to wipe out entire nations, but we actually had them, and our world leaders had them, not like very mature philosopher sitting around a room thinking about their existence and consequences of their actions, but they were authorizing the use of them while they were completely inebriated, maybe even at a party with friends.
27:14 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a scary thing to think about.
27:15 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking of three counterpoint.
27:17 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_00]: The first one is like it's just a more cynical look of hate we're only 80 years and we still got plenty of time to wipe out everybody.
27:24 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's uh, yes, it's is a good stretch of luck that we've made it this far, but it's inevitable.
27:31 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you can see the word though, you just used it and that's what this funny because that's the chat GBT and AI is as well.
27:36 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They said, well, the look, but how can we as Christians don't believe in luck?
27:41 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have to put, I mean, his science is really going to say,
27:44 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 80 years of luck.
27:46 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That to me is just as miraculous as God, right?
27:50 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It defends.
27:51 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_00]: If we all end up dying next year, then I think it is, I agree.
27:55 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I open with the fact that if the nuclear bomb suddenly, if it suddenly starts getting really bright in here, then my argument is not going to work.
28:03 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But at that point, there won't be anyone to countercute because we're all dead, right?
28:07 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: No, there's argument works until, yeah, theoretically it works until it doesn't, but that's the cynical approach is that we're only 80 years in and it's still coming in and it's still inevitable.
28:18 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I was still, but even to that person, I would even say 80 years is a remarkably long stretch of time when you look at history, when you look at the 20th century, when you look at how violent
28:29 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_01]: humans have been.
28:30 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't stopped being as violent actually like we are just as prone to war.
28:35 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We have wars happening around the world and even right now wars happening because of nuclear weapons to keep people from having them and things like that.
28:44 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The wars have not stopped.
28:46 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We just for some reason aren't using the one weapon that would absolutely end all war.
28:51 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: and the countries that have it refused to use it.
28:53 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: What, what did the secular viewpoint, though, just say humanity is finally gotten smart enough to care about humans enough?
29:04 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the family has to have this would be a compelling argument for it.
29:08 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is the secular argument and to which I would say, but wouldn't all of the continuous wars and bloodshed and everything we know about humanity go against that and also wouldn't all the near misses.
29:21 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We have many instances, many of them.
29:23 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_01]: where nuclear weapons almost went off.
29:26 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't done.
29:27 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Those times where the jets kept trying to go up into the air, the nuclear submarines kept trying to launch torpedoes, the missiles, kept trying.
29:34 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's on a moment where humanity progressed, where humanity became too mature to use them.
29:40 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a moment where humanity was trying to actively use them and it didn't work out.
29:46 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is you could say, well, sometimes you get lucky.
29:49 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the dice rolls a perfect, you know, six.
29:53 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, we've managed for 81 years, every close call to roll a six.
29:59 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That's beyond just good dice moments.
30:03 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's over and over and over again.
30:05 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to keep rolling, a perfect number, fuller this to work.
30:10 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And for 81 years, you flawed humans with bad technology.
30:14 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_01]: have managed to keep doing it.
30:16 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had many radar instances, many different miscommunications, many submarines.
30:21 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We are only talking about the many ones that we know about.
30:24 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We all know that there are even more that governments don't put out there.
30:28 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We know there even more that could go on from there.
30:31 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And not to mention too.
30:32 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: one of the biggest ones, which I have on my list here that I didn't even talk about.
30:36 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that the Soviet Union collapsed and they had thousands upon thousands of warheads sitting in poorly guarded facilities in countries like Gazakistan and Belarus that were falling apart on the inside with corrupt leaders and not one of those nuclear warheads managed to get into the hands of people who wanted to actively get them and use them.
31:00 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: on other people.
31:01 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are lots of countries around the world, Iran, North Korea, that are actively trying to get nuclear weapons.
31:07 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_01]: These nuclear weapons were all available, and somehow not one of them was able to get one.
31:12 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That's another distinction though that I want to make, is that you seem to be operating on the premise that if one nuclear war head is launched, then all of humanity gets wiped out.
31:22 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Which I know is like the Doom's Day scenario that we propose in all of our media, and maybe
31:28 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_00]: like that might have been.
31:29 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I would certainly argue that during the 50 years of Cold War, that was very true.
31:34 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we've become so removed from that, because we live in the year 2026, and not the year 1986, we have completely forgotten just how close humanity was to actual full destruction.
31:47 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's removed from us, because for 30 plus years, that's not been a thing, like nobody thing.
31:52 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Even the fact that we have all these nuclear warheads for the most part, we don't even
31:55 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't even remember the last time I present it, maybe they do, but I don't remember any presidential talking points talking about nuclear warheads, and if they were, it was basically like, I won't let that terrorist nation or that North Korea get nuclear warheads.
32:09 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we forget, we have such, we've had these powerful weapons for so long.
32:13 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We've actually kind of forgotten how powerful in world-ending that they truly are.
32:19 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We are so comfortable.
32:20 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: with the fact that we have weapons that can wipe us out, in an instant, that we have literally forgotten that they're even there.
32:27 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet the fact is they are that powerful, and they are are still just as much present as they were before, we've just become them to it.
32:36 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So it sounds like now you're revising your claim to you're specifically talking about the cold war, like it's a miracle.
32:43 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that depending on the nation, for example Russia still has a lot of nuclear warheads.
32:49 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that if Russia had
32:52 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, they have themselves said, if you want to go down a scary whole of thought, look at Alexander Duke and who is like an elite advisor to Putin, who has a theology and their theology in Russia is something to the effect of it'll all burn, which is the effect of basically saying, we kind of foresee a world someday where everything goes up and flames, but we think that a new Roman Republic will rise in Russia when it happens.
33:16 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: and even put on plays like about how like in the plays would end with everything on like you know metaphorical fire and then Russia rose out of the play alive and happy.
33:25 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the main advisors to Putin.
33:27 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of a scary thought that these people who are still actively committing, you know, doing war stuff and still have an active access to many nuclear warheads.
33:36 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: have a whole philosophy based on everything burning down.
33:39 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're not the only ones.
33:41 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There are many different Muslim groups that have put out there.
33:44 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They believe that when the world is at its utmost chaos, when the world is completely at war and in flames, that's when the 13th Imam or whoever it is, all that comes back and all that kind of stuff.
33:56 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And so those groups are also actively seeking nuclear weapons.
33:59 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: They think it's okay to launch the world into a
34:06 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And those are two pretty powerful groups of people that lots of wars and things around the world are happening because of the way those two people groups view the world.
34:25 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I still think it's likely that there will be nuclear detonations in the fear like I don't think or out of this Like I think it's still very much a part of reality now for your biblical world view to or You should say a bit the biblical review.
34:41 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He even tapped me there in the end, so
34:43 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that really, like, humaneity has to survive.
34:46 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean that a good chunk of humanity doesn't get wiped out.
34:50 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I would agree, but here's what I would say, though.
34:53 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We, you know that if the nuclear level is especially during the Cold War had gone off, humanity would not have survived that.
34:59 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what does the, I believe the actual estimation is if the true nuclear fallout happened were both sides of Russia and America,
35:05 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: China in America because not like the Cold War hasn't really truly ended.
35:10 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_01]: China has I think 600 plus nuclear warheads themselves.
35:14 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_01]: If America and China go to war and it becomes nuclear, that's the same problem.
35:19 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And the nuclear warheads that China has are more powerful, I believe, if I read correctly, then the ones that Russia has.
35:25 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So, the idea that the Cold War has ended because the Soviet Union collapsed, where there are still nine different countries right now with nuclear warheads that could easily start launching them.
35:35 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_01]: India and Pakistan in 2019 almost did, and in fact, it was called as a huge conflict where India,
35:41 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's India, Pakistan, I apologize, I forgot which one.
35:44 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They thought the other country was about to launch nuclear warheads, so they basically sent like a tip down the line, like, hey, we're going to go ahead and deploy ours because we're pretty sure they're deploying theirs.
35:52 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And they both sides had to be talked down from the ledge because they were getting ready to launch nuclear.
35:57 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't know that Pakistan and India's nuclear war would have led to nuclear, I'm getting in the same way that China and America or Russia and America would.
36:05 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But it wouldn't have been good.
36:06 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that would have been a bad sign for where nuclear weapons were headed and yet again They were stopped from doing so We all know that the efforts to get Iran to not have a nuclear warhead had been continuous and constant We also have I mean these are just the big nukes and stuff too We're not even talking about the fact that the world is also had very small nuclear weapon launchers Like the nuclear bazooka have you heard about the nuclear bazooka Joel?
36:33 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
36:33 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah, a carryable size nuclear weapon that was invented to stop people from using big nuclear bombs.
36:41 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The idea was if you have small tactical nukes like the nuclear bazooka that could literally be shot by soldiers then it would scare people away from using the big nukes.
36:51 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem was that everyone realized, oh shoot, we've created even more nuclear weapons, and once you used a nuclear bazooka, you've already made the war nuclear.
36:59 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: This nuclear bazooka was invented five years after the atomic bombs were dropped by here on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, by Oppenheimer himself, who thought he would be making the world more peaceful somehow by creating nuclear bazookas.
37:12 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It was somehow rain in the atomic bomb itself.
37:15 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, didn't see that in the Oppenheimer movie.
37:17 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that would have been a cool add-on, by the way.
37:19 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, and he also invented a bazooka, but there were many problems with the Oppenheimer movie.
37:23 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just one of them.
37:25 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_01]: All of these things, I'm saying.
37:26 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So your idea, I think your biggest counter argument that I'm hearing so far, is, well, we could still blow ourselves up.
37:33 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I guess.
37:34 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes, we could still blow ourselves up.
37:36 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Humanity is a much more equipped now to survive any type of nuclear fallout.
37:41 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_00]: What can we tell?
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_01]: that.
37:43 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that is a super not correct answer that I would give you on that one.
37:48 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to nuclear weapons, our weapons haven't gotten any weaker, our worldwide infrastructure, like we are all more connected now than we were even 50 years ago.
37:58 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_01]: In the 50 years ago, there was a cult, there was a second world in the first world, people don't like those terms now, but
38:04 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_01]: you know there was like an economy run through Soviet Union that was kind of independent of the first world and the first world had its own economy and like they weren't mesh together.
38:13 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So theoretically if one of those two powers blew up the other side could kind of recover.
38:18 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Again theoretically if you launch first and they didn't launch on you you could have a shot.
38:24 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But now we don't have that, our entire world is so enmeshed that if one area where oil tankers is embargoed, the entire world feels it.
38:32 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're telling, like there's no world where if we drop a bunch of nuclear bombs on each other, humanity would survive.
38:37 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Humanity would be able to go on as a whole.
38:42 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that we could.
38:44 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We are so dependent on technology, on electricity, on everything that we currently have that makes our life, how many turn electricity for a couple months and one major country in the world China, America, France, and there's no infrastructure.
39:03 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing bringing supplies in.
39:05 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_00]: How many of those people truly are all countries in Africa that aren't even gonna know that that happened.
39:11 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they're going to keep you still extremely dependent on outside resources coming in like they're not living in a complete bubble over there medicines and all kinds of stuff coming from the outside.
39:24 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_00]: There are, there are independent areas, though.
39:27 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_00]: There are independent societies.
39:28 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but Joel, if your biggest argument is that, you know, Troy, nuclear weapons could fall everywhere in the radiation could damage, but there will be a few tribal groups somewhere that make it.
39:39 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I would still argue that providentially, if we're talking about the difference between,
39:44 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_01]: total eradication, 8.2 billion people gone, and near total eradication, 8.1, you know, one, one, five billion people gone, that's still in my opinion, providential that we haven't done that.
39:57 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we, it is, I mean, yes, it's providential, maybe not to the exact same extent, because again, all we really need to fulfill revelation is for humanity to be there in the end.
40:07 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And we don't know how much, but I don't say, no, no, no, no, we don't.
40:12 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're, look,
40:14 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: maybe a post millennial or maybe a parade, you're going to know what it, but if we're talking about, hey, these things in like a revelation or something like that have not happened, it's a worldwide system that the anti-Christ adopts.
40:27 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He does not adopt a couple tribes and Africa system or a
40:30 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_01]: a few third-world countries survive nuclear radiation system.
40:35 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He's adopting over an entire world system.
40:38 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So unless the argument is the entire world will nuke itself, but a few millions of people will survive.
40:43 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And then 10 years from now, that's when the anti-Christ comes over.
40:46 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: If I guess that's probably- If Russia and America got wiped out.
40:51 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the economical state of how everything operates, but if American Russia were no more, and it was up to Europe to run the world, fast forward 500 years, I think the world would be okay.
41:07 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is that the problem is it's not that nuclear.
41:11 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, if just Moscow and just Washington D.C. exploded But the problem is not that when these countries explode, they explode alone.
41:18 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the radiation that comes out of launching.
41:21 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I don't think, again, I'd love to have a nuclear physicist on with us, which we don't have.
41:29 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Current day thermonuclear warheads don't have radiation fallout.
41:35 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel highly confident that that is an accurate statement that the the nuclear Radiac radioactive fallout We got so stuck on this nuclear radiation.
41:46 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They go.
41:46 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought was the easy part of the commensate We didn't even move on to the actual next part, which I think is even more concerning in Europe.
41:52 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We got we got stuck here so
41:55 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
41:56 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
41:56 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So how about this, Jill?
41:57 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I will make, I will alter the case slightly.
41:59 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll call it the Armageddon argument for God, but we had, would you agree that we had the ability to blow ourselves up to kingdom come with the most powerful technology ever.
42:09 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you go back to James Khan, those guys couldn't destroy all of humanity.
42:13 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We had that power with pretty bad technology compared to today's technology.
42:18 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the best technology of a time.
42:20 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But compared to the technology we have today, it was significantly worse than our own.
42:24 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, now.
42:25 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet, we managed to not use these weapons that were world-ending weapons for decades, while being at war ends in having an unbelievable amount of close calls.
42:37 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't actually use them and destroy each other.
42:40 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we agree that for the 40 to 50 we'll put it just to the Cold War era for there?
42:44 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_01]: For 40 to 50 years, that ability existed and nobody did it.
42:47 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll start there.
42:49 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the world is not a safer place.
42:52 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I suppose you were convinced, and maybe I haven't looked at a nuclear radiation fall out, that nuclear radiation will no longer have an effect on the world.
43:00 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I find that hard to believe considering when the nuclear reactor in Japan started leaking radiation, it caused trouble around the world.
43:07 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I would find it hard to believe that dropping a enormous amount of nuclear warheads on other nations would not, but let's say that it doesn't.
43:14 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not the only threat we currently send under.
43:17 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_01]: because also these major nations have collected multiple labs where they create superviruses and they play with them and they edit them and they've had multiples and multiples of lab leaks from these labs with some pretty dangerous stuff.
43:35 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_01]: and they have yet to destroy the entire world with these things either.
43:39 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We have also since then created AIs with this is a new one that we're putting on the home front.
43:46 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Militarys are creating AIs so that when the time comes these militarys can fight each other with these AI tools at their disposal.
43:53 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And with all the problems I could come with adding all of that to your technology grid and there have been many of them.
43:59 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We also, as of yet,
44:01 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening to this in 2032, and you're going, you didn't know how bad it would get.
44:06 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would say you probably have better things to do with your time than listening to revamp thoughts.
44:10 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But we appreciate you for listening there on the other side of nuclear slash viral slash AI outbreak.
44:16 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would say that we actually are creating a more dangerous world and that every year we go by, the world has not gotten safer, but actually the number of threats that we create for ourselves, compounds, and yet we continue not to destroy ourselves.
44:29 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:29 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is actually a pretty well-known, well-discussed phenomenon when it comes to trying to find alien life.
44:38 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You've probably heard the great filter.
44:40 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where I have, this is the great filter argument.
44:43 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You're literally just describing the great filter argument.
44:45 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_00]: If said that.
44:46 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And like the great filter argument, I am saying the great filter argument is correct.
44:52 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm arguing that the reason we aren't filtered out is God.
44:57 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would have heard that.
45:00 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so the mind I've been arguing so hard this whole time.
45:02 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been more nitpicking your opinions on practicality of nuclear I just think it's funny that you were like, I'm not a nuclear physicist, but I know exactly what a nuclear bomb will go off in that Okay, so we explain the great filter.
45:16 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, go ahead explain the great filter argument
45:17 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so it originated from people trying to figure out why we haven't discovered alien intelligence.
45:24 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And so when people are looking out into space for possible, these are scientists, obviously.
45:29 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: They're looking out into space.
45:31 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_00]: There are certain things in solar systems that they're...
45:33 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_00]: looking to see that might be evidence of another civilization, and so there's things like mining a planet or trying to harness energy from the star in that solar system that might be evidence that solar system is inhabited by someone else, and so they're looking for evidence signatures that someone has been in other solar systems, and they've been scouring the universe,
45:59 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: for years and years and years and there is zero evidence of anything any solar system has ever been touched or tampered with.
46:06 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the conclusion is that for some reason, again, I'm bear with me taking the secular scientists approach to life of all living in the universe is that societies don't make it that far, for whatever reason.
46:23 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: that there is some type of filter where society, if life is originating in other places in the universe, it eventually hits some barrier to where it does not continue on.
46:35 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And the hook of it, I guess the interesting part of it is that humanity is starting to bump up against that wall to where we are starting to have an impact on our solar system.
46:46 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: and like within the next thousand years or so we'll be starting to make the impacts on our solar system that we are trying to observe in other solar systems and failing to find.
46:56 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So that either means we are somewhere in the midst of where other societies are supposedly getting filtered out.
47:03 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And the debate is, are we about to bump up against the great filter and get filtered out and not be able to progress any more in civilization?
47:12 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Or the more optimistic look is for some
47:15 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_00]: the great filter and the great filters behind to somehow and our society is now flourishing ways that others have failed to do it one I have never heard of the little mention the negative one I didn't even know there wasn't optimistic answer to the optimistic say we've we've we've made it through somehow and now we
47:32 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And it like legally before if you think that's like, okay, that sounds like pure sci-fi or whatever I mean Elon Musk seems to be a pretty big believer in it because he has mentioned over and over again That the reason he's pushing SpaceX and the reason he wants a mission to Mars is because the best his words Not mine the best chance at humanity surviving is being multi-planetary in the sooner we can
47:54 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_01]: get into other planets and start life there and start getting things going the less likely a chance that our new clear bombs for example might blow ourselves up if we're all on earth when those nuclear bombs go off Then we all die, but if some of us are on Mars and so much on the moon and blah, blah, blah, blah, then theoretically to keep going now This is obviously a very secular worldview and I did not subscribe to it.
48:14 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any evidence that we will be in those places that the thousand years from now Maybe I'll be wrong, but I I don't think we will
48:21 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_01]: With that said, I don't think there's any harm in putting people on the moon because I think it's pretty cool So I'm a mixed back on that one, but but the point is the theories of what Might have caught like what are filters attributes are or I would
48:37 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You're putting the great filter.
48:38 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you were saying that this is just the great filter.
48:41 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would actually disagree.
48:42 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The great filter argument is that there is some filter humanities.
48:45 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Not humanities.
48:46 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_01]: All races, if they're there.
48:49 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, the very obvious answer for why we're not seeing alien civilizations is because there aren't aliens and God created life on earth and there's why there's no aliens.
48:57 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But it okay, so the secularists can't as subscribed to that.
49:00 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So they came up with a great filter.
49:01 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Fine.
49:03 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The idea, I would argue that
49:06 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_01]: there's no evidence that AI virus is all these things should be able to it could be that great filter.
49:11 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:12 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:12 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And AI is the big one that people talk about that.
49:14 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It could be AI.
49:15 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:15 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:16 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You could be by files of bio.
49:17 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Some type of disease that whites that community or nuclear fall out like we've described.
49:22 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
49:23 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is what I would argue nuclear stuff today today.
49:27 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's today.
49:28 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, AI talk today is what nuclear talk was 50 years ago.
49:32 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We're created this thing that can absolutely wipe us out.
49:34 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't understand it, and we keep making it more powerful every 10 minutes for some reason.
49:38 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what AI talk has become today.
49:40 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what nuclear talk was 50, 40 years ago.
49:44 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, and I guess we've gotten comfortable with the news.
49:46 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to even, that's like, if you were going to talk about how scary nuclear weapons are, people like AF.
49:51 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not news.
49:51 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
49:52 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We got AI now, right?
49:53 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We even, you know, oh, we've got this new thing back in the destroy us now.
49:56 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's kind of my point.
49:57 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We every year, we've managed to update.
50:00 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not getting safer.
50:01 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We managed to upgrade the threats to ourselves on a more and more magnificent level.
50:05 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We've now, I mean, because these AI is could just launch the nukes for example.
50:09 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, all you have to do is have China
50:12 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: re, you know, send the right AI to America to cause America's newx to blow itself up and like why is I'm sure America would like to create the, you know, that's what that's the level world now at where we can take even the old weapons and make them more dangerous on ourselves.
50:25 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's necessarily the great filter, though.
50:27 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just proof that we've created a more and more dangerous unstable system.
50:32 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet we continue to roll the dice perfectly.
50:35 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We continue to not blow ourselves up, not create a bio-superweapon despite trying, not leak it into the world despite trying, and not manage to send the entire world in time again.
50:48 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm arguing that there's actually no real good explanation for why we've been this lucky.
50:53 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That God is the explanation for why we've been this lucky.
50:56 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That is actually an approved of God that humanity hasn't managed to destroy itself with such powerful tools.
51:03 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that argument, not in application to nuclear warheads, but just to humanity existing this long, there's got to be a name for that.
51:10 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's got to be an existing argument for God.
51:14 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Humanity, I try to Google it around.
51:17 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, please.
51:17 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure somebody is super in on politics, we'll come in and be like, a historical fine tuning is what we call, or something.
51:24 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
51:24 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I know the argument conditions for life on earth.
51:28 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_01]: are so perfect that it's an argument for God.
51:30 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I use that argument.
51:31 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great argument for God and I think it is not an argument just an argument for God.
51:35 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's genuinely what God did.
51:36 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He created the earth.
51:37 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's perfect for life.
51:38 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that.
51:40 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also think that what you said that humans haven't completely wiped out the ability to use life on earth.
51:47 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that maybe that would be the broader way to use that is also an argument for God.
51:51 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We enter a sinful condition, we turn everything and corrupt it, destroy it, attack it, and blah, blah, create nukes that can blow it all up, and if we create it, if we had launched us nuclear weapons, by our bad technology, like we tried to do many, many times, we wouldn't have just destroyed life for humanity, it would have destroyed life for everything.
52:08 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet somehow we continued to not do so.
52:11 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We create those viruses.
52:12 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We would destroy life for ourselves.
52:15 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We have these AIs now that can unleash these viruses and unleash these nuclear weapons, but we still don't do it.
52:21 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the amount of ways we can hurt ourselves is crazy.
52:23 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had others listed to like we've had, we have nuclear reactors that have melted down that didn't lead to bigger issues than they were.
52:30 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got all kinds of different things we do all the time.
52:33 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_01]: From different pollutions and things that we've sprayed into the air we when we were yeah We were we had no idea have that some of those chemicals couldn't have come back and killed us later The number of things that we do is just insane and yet despite that We continue to not destroy ourselves.
52:48 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's an accident I think it's just God protecting us and that that's why and by the burden of proof that you're gonna keep saying Well, the atheist will ignore I don't I don't say it's a perfect argument
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53:23 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no God protecting us.
53:25 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do we stay protected?
53:26 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Why have we made it to stay protected?
53:28 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And why not only do we stay protected, but we've actually been relatively safe all things considered.
53:33 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It goes against all of human history that we would do this.
53:37 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so let me preface by saying like, and you know, of course I agree with you.
53:41 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I agree that
53:43 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_00]: God's hand has been on humanity ever since he created us and that you know like he is helping guys just like he's helping us in our own individual life.
53:54 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like it kind of parallels our own life, right?
53:56 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You can make very similar arguments to how you're still here and there's so many times where you could have died.
54:03 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many times you've could have had car accidents
54:11 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_00]: For some reason you're still here today must be proof of God on a macroscale you could apply that to take humanity We're here because I would argue I would argue that if I was regularly juggling grenades
54:25 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_00]: you know what I say and I kept dropping the grenades and they kept not going off like you know what I say and there's a lot of people that there's a lot of people that are juggling grenades quite a bit in life and some reason there's still here I'm saying you can only make that opinion in that observation because you happen to still be alive to be able to make that opinion in that observation.
54:46 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree, and obviously the argument for the atheist will, and a year from now when we blow ourselves up, then this argument becomes a movement, and a year from now, if we blow ourselves up, the argument does become moved.
54:55 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They, the burden of proof, does lie on people who can explain how we have managed to walk on the tight rope for 81 years, when nobody living at the time thought we could walk on that for 200.
55:04 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody living at the time thought we could walk on that for 10 minutes.
55:06 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_01]: As soon as World War II ended, many different commissions and things were trying to fund to figure out how to keep the nuclear, like one of the big things they pushed was, we should all disarm our nuclear weapons at the time America was the only one with them.
55:18 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody thought we could do this.
55:20 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody thought we could do it during the Cold War.
55:22 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It was inevitable, right?
55:23 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point, we will blow each nobody thought the nuclear warheads could save safe when the Soviet Union fell.
55:29 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point, those are going to get into bad hands and we're going to see this huge issue come.
55:33 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yet here we are, 81 years later, juggling now nuclear warheads.
55:37 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_01]: terrible viruses and labs that all have to stay in good condition at any leak anywhere causes a whole bunch of problems everywhere and we're throwing AI into the mix and somehow despite the fact that we're on the type we've now added a what does that call they a unicycle and we're standing on it and we're going across the tightrope at this point we're just keeping making this thing more and more dangerous we should be falling but we're not
56:00 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the reason we're not following is simply because something has been carrying us there will I expect a atheist No, of course not atheist Don't tend to listen, but is it worth pointing out that is something God is doing yeah black death, you know like what about the plague What are there's some there are some very poor times in humanity You're approaching this with such optimism and I love it.
56:21 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's cream.
56:21 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Heavy.
56:22 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just that and a pessimistic mood today, but You're laying out all of these horrible things that we are surviving
56:32 --> 56:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't think it's on outside the realm of possibility that we might be entering some one of a dark age, you know, like it's it's going to be real rough for people.
56:43 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like that's what you're described, which which are bad.
56:48 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The Black Death is a great example.
56:49 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Black Death, I even used it earlier, how humanity catapulted Black Death victims into people's houses, like into their cities, do destroy them.
56:57 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they intentionally use the Black Death as a weapon on their enemies because they
57:02 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But the back death, two things against it, hey, we besides those people kind of holding that body and we have no ability to spread the cut.
57:08 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We have no clue, we don't, like that's not something we could pull the trigger on, right?
57:13 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it just moved around.
57:14 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't even understand how it moved around.
57:17 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It just moved from person to person, you know, they didn't realize it was from flybites.
57:21 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So there was no explanation for that that was human led.
57:24 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course they would go and kill Jewish people or witches or whatever thinking it was human led.
57:29 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But there was no human led explanation for that.
57:32 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_01]: These nuclear weapons, these bio-created weapons sitting in the labs, these AI-created things that will be weapons that are currently being, those are human-created disasters, not natural disasters like the Black Death that fall on people systematically throughout history.
57:47 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But these are human-created disasters and the differences too.
57:51 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The Black Death, though very powerful and very deadly, could not kill every person on Earth because there were always going to be some people who are immune or a very small percentage of people who survived.
58:03 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Nuclear, these nuclear weapons, these pio-created weapons that they're not careful, these AI things could theoretically kill everybody.
58:11 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like this isn't just, they could kill most of us.
58:13 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a truly could wipe the entire planet clean of humans.
58:18 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That is a much bigger thing and it's created by us, not by, you know, nature, really provenance, but again, it's not created by the world.
58:25 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_01]: This is something we're adding to the table that it's not a bad earthquake.
58:28 --> 58:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a world-indian phenomenon that we have the trigger on.
58:31 --> 58:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I could just summarize everything by saying the world is crazy we live in the most dangerous time that's ever existed But I believe that God will preserve some of his people past whatever obstacles we're gonna face in the next 500 years
58:48 --> 58:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that text all the boxes.
58:50 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So Jill, I'm gonna throw this to the audience.
58:52 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Anybody wants to say tap.
58:53 --> 58:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Jill, you're expecting something.
58:55 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm expecting something.
58:56 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like truly, you're wrong because you don't foresee the big giant thing we're about to all fall into or half a few minutes ago.
59:04 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's wiped out and maybe you are correct.
59:06 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, see, you're also, you're also banking on human history.
59:10 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at me though.
59:11 --> 59:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.
59:12 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You literally just need the precedence for the past 200 years of civilization at least.
59:18 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But I believe that God will preserve some people.
59:21 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just going to be hearing to your philosophy there.
59:27 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess the way we're looking at it is I'm looking at this and going, wow, God has made it.
59:30 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We have not killed ourselves, it's amazing we haven't, it's an unbelievable amount of close calls.
59:36 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Lord's hand is protected us.
59:37 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He has his own plans for how the world is going to end and that's why we haven't triggered our own end.
59:42 --> 59:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Joel is going.
59:43 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, you're right, Troy.
59:45 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_01]: These weapons are super dangerous.
59:46 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We are making the world more devastating.
59:48 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we are going to blow ourselves up.
59:51 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but a group of us will survive and God will use that to in the world the proper way he has planned.
59:55 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess.
59:56 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
59:57 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think it will happen.
59:58 --> 01:00:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You're saying I don't think it might be a possibility that I wouldn't rule out some type of I'm not saying that I'm gonna start passing nuclear weapons out as party favors because we can't blow ourselves up, right?
01:00:12 --> 01:00:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna go that far.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think we need to live in the world and be wise in our application of it.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm you know I'm not saying that
01:00:20 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Create as many bio-opens as you want, different countries.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:25 [SPEAKER_01]: God won't let us die until it's time.
01:00:25 --> 01:00:30 [SPEAKER_01]: True, is that maybe he might choose to let an earlier punishment come through like you're saying.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And we might see a group, you're not wrong.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, that would disqualify the theory.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's just pray that you are wrong.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And then my office, I want to be a right.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:42 --> 01:00:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:44 --> 01:00:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:52 --> 01:00:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:54 --> 01:00:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:55 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:56 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:57 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:57 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:58 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be right.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be right.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be right.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be right.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be right.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be right.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what every negative person says.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_01]: They always go with the, I'm a realist with what they really mean to say.
01:01:08 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You literally just laid out all the evidence for what makes it so dangerous.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're a great, it's compelling.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We should be dead.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're not.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: My argument is God is protecting us.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why we're not ourselves.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yet.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't faced a mess with such a thing.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The only way to disprove it is for it to start happening.
01:01:29 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So as far as I'm concerned, we're good to go.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to steal this conversation.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It was fun.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed it and it gave me a chance to just go through a bunch of nuclear close calls, which was I wanted to do that anyway, because I think they're fun and interesting and should make you a little more grateful for life on Earth considering it's amazing how much we forget that we almost blew ourselves up like 900 different times.
01:01:51 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is, it is wild that there's, yeah, never been an unintentional detonation of a nuclear warhead.
01:01:58 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I guess the opposite.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess there's two ways to walk away from this conversation, you know, walk away from it with with the Troy perspective of Wow, it's good reminder.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We could have killed ourselves.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:08 [SPEAKER_01]: God is protecting us.
01:02:08 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I let you know what a great what a great point.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Or you can walk away from the Jill perspective of well, we got away for now, but it's coming.
01:02:16 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think mine's better.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, but in the midst of the chaos, I trust in the Lord for all things.
01:02:21 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I don't, I don't, I don't let it ruin my day.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What is it the C.S.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Lewis quote that says hey if all the he's he was actually addressing nuclear weapons and I'm in a paraphrase I'm so he said something to the effect of like it's a nuclear bomb should come let it come But let it find us a living marrying and having children and going to parks and let it come to us while we're fully alive Not hiding in fear of death.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that's a good way to live.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is one of the least intimate
01:02:50 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: This has been a great episode.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We should really look for a bunker supplies advertisement.
01:02:58 --> 01:02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to start our own line.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Revive us, bunker rations, so we'll have to look all the other companies, they'll send you food.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But what are you going to do in that bunker?
01:03:08 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We're the only ones sending you church history sermons to read for the whole family.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: A nice hundred sermon packets that you'll read about your society with some more.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Why, you know, you're going to want to preserve those amazing sermons for the past, but everything's up in flames and under radiation.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We will send you the, uh, the hundred best sermons packet that you can enjoy.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't open it till it's time, but you'll, you'll like them.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So we wrap up this episode.
01:03:34 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't I can't imagine why we would.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't gotten off track at all.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I we should wrap up this episode, but I will say Joel that was fun.
01:03:41 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I have to go look up more on radiation apparently.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't expect any books to be written any great philosophers to come out of this one, but every day that we're still alive, my theory looks a little more true.
01:03:54 --> 01:03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I'm gonna say.
01:03:57 --> 01:04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, if you want to write into it, so you can do some revive fats at gmail.com, revived fats at gmail.com, uh, let's know your thoughts about why we're still alive and, uh, and God's hand in it all I suppose.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's really funny that this is, uh, this is technically I think going to go about on our seven year anniversary of a show, and I think it's funny that, of all the, of all the episodes that could be playing, it was the argument between why didn't we blow ourselves up yet, and well, we couldn't blow ourselves up, but also we're probably going to blow ourselves up, but a couple tribes in Africa or the, or the caucuses mountains will bring it all back for us.
01:04:36 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be our big seven year anniversary at the so-and-so, you know what, and I can't imagine a better revived conversation than to lead out on, so it's supposed to be fun.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, this is Troy and Joel, and you have been listening to Revive Bonds.