John Wesley: Justification by Faith

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[00:06:31] John Wesley, probably one of the most famous preachers that we cover here on this show.

[00:06:38] Certainly one of the leaders of the great awakening time period in American history,

[00:06:43] in world history, really. He was born in the year 1703 in England. He was the 15th of 19 children.

[00:06:51] This always blows my mind. Whenever I think about Wesley family, his parents had 19 children over

[00:06:57] the course of 20 years. Troy, as a father of two. Two. Two. How can you imagine?

[00:07:05] I remember I've met families that are like 13 kids and usually they space them out over like 30

[00:07:10] years. I still go, wow, how do you do that? And I know everyone who has a big family, they're going,

[00:07:16] come on, we always get that. I know you do. But it is just as a parent, I find that that must

[00:07:21] have been quite wild. But you know, I've never heard of like a family. It's like we have 13 kids

[00:07:25] over 14 years. They did it 19 kids, which is an astronomical number in 20 years. And I just go,

[00:07:32] wow, that is just something else to me. Sadly, this is the 1700s after all. So out of the 19

[00:07:39] children that his parents would have only 10 would survive past infancy, which is also

[00:07:46] incredibly hard to imagine, you know, that being the reality of life. Remember that in his later

[00:07:51] years, he went to Oxford and he started what was dubbed the Holy Club, where he and his brother

[00:07:57] Charles and another one other specific friend, but other friends in general will come together.

[00:08:03] They'd read the Bible, they'd worship, they talk to God. This is where they met George Whitfield,

[00:08:08] the other the other friend, the figure that kind of helped found the Holy Club and really kind of

[00:08:14] mentor him and his brother, George Whitfield was a good beacon of light in their lives. John and

[00:08:20] Charles would go to America and preach the gospel as missionaries. But after two years, they came

[00:08:26] back to England. There in a Bible study reading the prologue to Romans, John Wesley says that

[00:08:33] his heart was strangely warmed, and he truly came to Christ. One of those individuals that

[00:08:39] while being an active ministry and being actively, you know, graduating seminary and learning all

[00:08:46] this stuff still attribute attributes his true conversion to well into ministry very interesting.

[00:08:54] And really the whole Holy Club is very interesting to see what journeys these people

[00:09:01] were on and how they understand their salvation. Weird stuff, interesting stuff.

[00:09:09] It's to me, it is something I really wish I could have a conversation with like John Wesley and them

[00:09:14] before this moment where they came to Christ because John Wesley comes to Christ reading

[00:09:19] Martin Luther's thoughts on justification in the book of Romans and Charles comes to Christ,

[00:09:25] he says three days after his brother. We did an episode on Charles Wesley as well.

[00:09:29] And George Whitfield came to Christ at a different point too. I really wish I could

[00:09:34] have a conversation with the before and after and compare because to me it's what John Wesley

[00:09:40] did before becoming a Christian is more than what many of us will do in our entire Christian lives.

[00:09:45] And I know obviously it's about our hearts and trusting in Christ fully, but it is,

[00:09:49] I want to know what was ticking in their brains. You know what I mean? Like,

[00:09:52] I want to know what was driving them before they thought, you know, before they were believers

[00:09:57] and what was it that... I'm very curious about that because that's something that every time we do a

[00:10:02] John Wesley story, we have to include that. And my brain just always goes, what were they doing?

[00:10:06] Like, what was it a works thing? What was motivating them?

[00:10:09] Yeah, they don't have like a large

[00:10:14] self-bio where they analyze why they thought they weren't believers beforehand, which is really what

[00:10:20] we want. We want to know why.

[00:10:22] Yeah, I want to know what it was and for me, I'm like, is it just, was there a shallowness to it?

[00:10:28] And they were like, because they're saying, he's very clearly saying I was converted in this moment,

[00:10:33] but I'm like, was he a believer? But he was such a baby believer. It wasn't really...

[00:10:37] It's just crazy.

[00:10:37] But at the same time, you got to take his word for it. You got to believe what he says.

[00:10:40] Yeah, I know. I know. But for me, he was taking these shots. I mean, people were persecuting him

[00:10:44] quite out in the open and I just, as a non-Christian to go through that, that's just surprising. And I

[00:10:50] know, yes, there are cults and Mormons and many people who do that, but I understand it. I just,

[00:10:55] I wish I could have a conversation so I could understand it from his perspective,

[00:11:00] not the history book perspective. All right. John Wesley went on to preach Christ to thousands

[00:11:05] and helped lead the revival that was the great awakening. And in turn, he formed the Methodist

[00:11:09] movement. Now, important to note, especially if you've been reading recent headlines,

[00:11:14] the Methodist movement that John Wesley formed, although is tangentially related to the current

[00:11:20] Methodist movement, it is a long journey between point A and point B here. And the current Methodist

[00:11:26] movement is not one that John Wesley would in any way, shape or form recognize. However, for a long

[00:11:32] time, it was firmly in his world and they did a lot of good. We've done several episodes on the

[00:11:38] past on John Wesley. And he's just a very interesting person through history. But I thought

[00:11:42] this would be a good episode to just kind of go through personal anecdotes, the little stories

[00:11:46] in his life that don't really fit a pattern. They just kind of happen throughout that have been

[00:11:50] collected. We did this recently on an episode with D.L. Moody, and we heard many of you really

[00:11:55] enjoyed that D.L. Moody episode and many of you enjoyed those anecdotes and stories. And to be

[00:12:00] honest, I was looking through Wesley. I thought he had some very interesting and kind of fun ones to do as

[00:12:04] well. And so let's go ahead and get started. One of the things to start with is for me, this was really

[00:12:10] hard to imagine. But back in Wesley's day, if you went to church, you had prayer, but the prayer

[00:12:17] was pre-written down. And so they were reading the prayer off of a pre-written thing. Sometimes it was

[00:12:24] a prayer book where you're just reading the prayers that were like published and everyone's reading

[00:12:27] the same prayers in every church at the same time. And other times it would just be

[00:12:33] written down beforehand where they had practiced it beforehand, but it was a pre-written prayer

[00:12:37] and a fully pre-written sermon. And everything's just being read off. And John Wesley started

[00:12:42] offending churches when he would pray directly to God and he didn't do the pre-written thing. He would

[00:12:48] just… what many of us are used to seeing today in church, he was one of the first people to actually

[00:12:53] do that. And churches wouldn't let him come back. They'd be like, you don't write down your prayers.

[00:12:56] You don't write down your sermons. What are you doing? Basically, we can't have that kind of

[00:13:00] craziness going on here. So Wesley was not the first. Obviously people have done it throughout

[00:13:05] church history, but at that time in England, nobody was doing it when John Wesley did it.

[00:13:09] And so that made him a very much a pioneer in today and something today I think is so

[00:13:14] common. It would actually be the reverse in a lot of churches. If I walked… if you asked me,

[00:13:19] hey, we asked Troy to end the service in prayer for us today. I got up with a scripted prayer.

[00:13:25] I think everyone would go, what is he… that would be as foreign to us as what John Wesley

[00:13:30] apparently did in reverse. And I just thought that was wild. Another thing I learned about

[00:13:34] John Wesley is that he wrote a best-selling medical book that still sells today called

[00:13:38] Primitive Physic, which was about… or Physic? Anyway, which was about how doctors treat humans

[00:13:45] as machines and gave observable and data-driven analysis on how to use home remedies instead of

[00:13:50] just using the doctor remedies. He basically was like, doctors treat the symptoms, but they're

[00:13:55] treating you all like you're one and the same. But here are all these good home remedies that

[00:13:58] can help you out. A lot of his remedies and cures have actually been found to be backed up by

[00:14:02] science. They weren't all just his. They were folk remedies that he collected that were useful.

[00:14:07] And a lot of them have turned out to be true, but there are also some that failed. And one of my

[00:14:13] favorites was if you have a stomachache, holding a puppy to your stomach and holding it for a while

[00:14:18] will make you feel better, which on the one hand is certainly not very scientific. But on the other

[00:14:25] hand, if you have a stomachache and you do have a nearby puppy, you might actually feel better

[00:14:29] holding a puppy to your stomach. So I don't… wait a minute, science, have you really done the

[00:14:34] research to prove that doesn't make your stomach feel better? Because I know I like puppies. That

[00:14:38] might make me feel better. Another one was he was a big proponent of jumping in ice-cold water to

[00:14:43] make yourself feel better. And the person I found from like 15 years ago was like, what a ridiculous

[00:14:47] idea. But actually there's a lot of people who do that whole ice-cold water thing. So

[00:14:53] that idea has made a comeback in recent years. So there you go. After the fight between him and George

[00:14:58] Whitfield over Calvinism versus Arminianism, we covered an episode on that when Wesley and

[00:15:05] George went at it over that issue that still divides many Christians to this day. However,

[00:15:09] they buried the hatchet after a bitter fight. And it was in fact Wesley who gave George Whitfield's

[00:15:14] eulogy. They had become that close again. But in a phrase of sentences, and I am going to quote

[00:15:21] them, where he says, there are many doctrines of a less essential nature. In these we may think

[00:15:26] and let think. We may then agree to disagree. But meantime, let us hold fast to the essentials.

[00:15:30] And if you heard me say, agree to disagree, historians have looked for the beginning of

[00:15:35] that phrase. And apparently if you've ever used the phrase, let's agree to disagree,

[00:15:39] John Wesley is that right there. It's the very first time it was ever used. So he is the

[00:15:45] coiner, the official beginner of the phrase, let's agree to disagree. And it was over Calvinism

[00:15:50] versus Arminianism, which is an issue that still divides today. And many people probably could

[00:15:56] still pick up on the healthy idea of learning to agree to disagree on some things.

[00:16:01] I love it. I love it. Wesley was a man of very much self-discipline. He practiced

[00:16:09] rigorous self-discipline. He wanted to share the gospel as much as possible. And because of this,

[00:16:16] he wrote a lot on his horse. He claims over 250,000 miles he rode on horseback due to the fact that

[00:16:24] he was trying to get to different places to preach the gospel as much as possible. At one point,

[00:16:29] he weighed 128 pounds, which probably made it easier to ride far distances on horseback. But

[00:16:36] he also did this thing where he would try to practice eating as little as he could, thinking

[00:16:44] that the discipline to control what you eat would also spill over into discipline of how to live his

[00:16:51] life, resisting selfish desires. If you can resist the desire to stuff yourself full of tasty food,

[00:16:59] you'll be better equipped to resist other selfish desires. And so that was kind of his mindset,

[00:17:05] his practice and how he did that. There was one day where a lady asked him, suppose that you were

[00:17:11] to die at 12 o'clock tomorrow night, how would you spend the time in between now and then? And

[00:17:17] he said, how, madame? Why, just as I intend to spend it now. I should preach this night at this

[00:17:25] city here. I'm not going to say that. He lists the city names, but I'm not going to list them

[00:17:29] because I don't know how to pronounce these city names. I will preach the night of this city here

[00:17:33] and then again at five tomorrow. And then after that, I shall ride to the next town over there

[00:17:38] and preach the afternoon there. And then in the evening, I'll meet with the societies.

[00:17:43] I will then go to my friend's Martin's house who expects to entertain me, conserve and pray

[00:17:48] with the family as usual. Then I'll retire to my room at 10 o'clock, commend myself to the heavenly

[00:17:54] father, lie down to rest and wake up in glory. And I thought that was an interesting thought

[00:18:01] experiment to where if someone asked you if you were to die tomorrow at midnight and your answer

[00:18:07] was, I wouldn't change a thing about how I have the next 24 hours planned. That's a pretty good

[00:18:12] testament to the fact that like, yes, right? You are living your life for the glory of God, right?

[00:18:20] That's exactly what I got out of that too. I actually use that question often with my children,

[00:18:25] my children, my students and stuff. I'll say, you know, what would you do if you were going

[00:18:27] to die tomorrow or today? And we always are like, well, I would do this. I would do this.

[00:18:33] I have so many things to do. And I've never seen anybody just so casually be like, absolutely

[00:18:37] nothing different because I am confident that I am living my life.

[00:18:41] I'm already doing the best stuff I can be doing.

[00:18:43] Yeah, exactly. I'm doing Christ's utmost glory. If there was something I needed to change,

[00:18:47] I would already be changing it. So no, I'm not going to change my schedule because I know that

[00:18:51] I'm living every day to glorify God. And so there's no change that needs to be made. I was like,

[00:18:57] you could look at that as, wow, he's so arrogant. But I think it actually is just like, no,

[00:19:01] I'm that faithful in my day to day that I trust that I can go any day and I have not been wasting

[00:19:05] my time. And I think that a lot of us could work on that. Wesley published a concise history of

[00:19:11] England and made 200 pounds by the sale of that work. And I'm imagining that's a lot of money

[00:19:17] based on the conversation he's going to have. He says to his editor at the time when he was

[00:19:22] informed of all the profits, you know, well, you got quite a lot of money coming in kind of thing.

[00:19:25] He says, ah, but since life is uncertain, I will take care to dispose of it before the end of the

[00:19:30] week. And when he meant dispose of it, he did not mean spend all the money out once and just

[00:19:33] party crazy. He meant like, I'm going to give it away generously. Life's uncertain. Who knows if

[00:19:37] I'll get the chance to give it away later. So let me just give away all this money that you just

[00:19:41] brought me as quickly as I can by the end of this week. And he did. By the end of the week,

[00:19:45] he had given it to all the different ministries and people he could help to make sure that his

[00:19:49] windfall was used in a proper way. And that's just cool. I mean, lots of pastors and lots of people

[00:19:55] write books and it's just cool how he's using that money in such a God glorifying way to make sure

[00:20:00] it gets out to where it's supposed to go. A different attitude on money again. Oh, I got

[00:20:05] some new money came in. How can I give this away as quick as possible? Because who knows, I might

[00:20:08] not have the end of the week. In 1769, Wesley preached near Bedford. Don't know where that is,

[00:20:14] but the audience were very quiet till he had nearly finished his speech. Then some people

[00:20:21] began to bawl at the top of their voices. And the person writing this said it became a perfect

[00:20:26] babble. So I guess he was kind of drowned out. And one man was a bit vile, had basically come in with

[00:20:32] the idea of throwing rotten eggs at the preacher. Now I have never seen anybody do this, but

[00:20:37] apparently back in the day, it was not uncommon. Actually, Wesley does tell a lot of stories about

[00:20:41] getting pelted with and attacked and different things. And so this guy heard Wesley was in town,

[00:20:45] came into the church with rotten eggs in his pockets. And I was at some point planning to

[00:20:50] launch them on the sermon, the preacher. But a young man who saw it kind of figured out what was

[00:20:55] going on, unperceived, and went up behind the guy, clapped his hands on each side of his pockets,

[00:20:59] and smashed the eggs all at once. And Mr. Wesley says, in an instant, he was the one who had the

[00:21:04] terrible smell. And he felt freed. And the guy just said, that's a great story of somebody who

[00:21:09] was going to do something evil, but they fell into their own pit. But for me, I walked away from that

[00:21:13] story and thought to myself, look at what Wesley is up against. People are throwing rotten eggs at

[00:21:17] him. And it's not even that surprising of a thing. It wasn't like I couldn't believe it. It was more

[00:21:22] like, yeah, there was this one time when this guy tried to do it, but it was hilarious because it

[00:21:25] ended up on him instead. I don't know. For me, I walked away from that story like, let's look at

[00:21:29] how the evil guy got what was his and more just like, yikes, it would have been rough to be

[00:21:33] preaching back in the 1700s, I think. Yeah, there was another instance where he was traveling along

[00:21:39] the road where he was stopped by a bandit who was demanding money from him. Mr. Wesley cooperated,

[00:21:46] gave him his money, but he said to him, let me speak one word to you. The time may come when you

[00:21:52] regret the course of life which you are now engaged. Remember this, the blood of Christ

[00:21:59] cleanses all of sin. No more was said and the two parted ways. Many years later, Mr. Wesley was

[00:22:06] leaving a church where he had been preaching and a stranger introduced himself and asked Mr. Wesley

[00:22:11] if he remembered that encounter, that time where he was robbed on the street. He said that he did

[00:22:17] recall it and he confesses that he was that man. He was the bandit. He said that that single verse

[00:22:25] that you quoted on the occasion was the means of a total change in my soul and habits. I have long

[00:22:31] since been attending the house of God and giving attention to his word and trust that I am a

[00:22:36] Christian. You know, there's two thoughts I heard when I think about when I hear that story. A,

[00:22:41] how neat is it going to be when John Wesley's in heaven and the guy who robbed him that one day

[00:22:45] probably caused him some consternation is in heaven with him because of that one verse. That is

[00:22:50] just an interesting, cool story. But the other thing too is how many times

[00:22:54] have we covered a guy on this show where one person sharing one Bible verse or just one

[00:22:59] word or just one little thing? I especially think of those D.L. Moody anecdotes, but just, you know,

[00:23:04] these little moments for these guys, just it wasn't when they were in front of the crowds

[00:23:08] of thousands. It was just while they were living their life, they passed on a chance. They didn't

[00:23:13] pass on a chance. They shared a very short, brief moment of the gospel with somebody.

[00:23:17] And later on, they find out that made all the difference. And I hope people hear that and they

[00:23:23] are encouraged to take those opportunities to share the gospel. You may have two minutes

[00:23:27] for the person. This guy had 20 seconds for the bandit, but look at the difference God used to

[00:23:32] make it work in their life. And I think, you know, you don't need to be one of these famous preachers

[00:23:37] that preaches to 10,000. You just share the gospel and trust him. And you never know that five

[00:23:42] minutes he spent with somebody you might find out in heaven one day was the five minutes that God

[00:23:46] used to bring them into the kingdom. Now's the time to start your next adventure behind the

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[00:24:51] for hybrid battery warranty details. Wesley, before he became converted, was elected a fellow

[00:25:01] at the Oxford University. He taught Greek and lectured on the New Testament, but in those days,

[00:25:06] Wesley was said to have spent his salary on gambling, tobacco and alcohol. This is again

[00:25:10] before Christ. So this is when I read that, I'm not sure, this was a Christianity Today article.

[00:25:15] That had that as one of the first times I've ever actually heard of his pre-conversion life

[00:25:19] being kind of sketchy like that. It goes kind of against what we see the holy club stuff. So I don't

[00:25:23] know enough research. I didn't, it was behind a paywall, okay? I didn't get to read more to find

[00:25:28] out where they got their information on it. It was just like, that was the part where it began to

[00:25:31] blur away. But what I did find was somebody talking about, well, here's how he changed afterwards and

[00:25:37] how he began after he preached the gospel as he was changed, a changed soul, he became more

[00:25:41] generous. So when he started his journey, he kind of took out a journal and started saying,

[00:25:45] I have 30 pounds of expenses a year. And when he added up, you know, what he had, he had 30 pounds,

[00:25:52] he had 28 pounds of expenses, like how much money he needed to live. And he had two pounds left over

[00:25:57] to give away. So the next year he found that his income had doubled. He had 60 pounds. He still

[00:26:02] only needed 28 pounds to live. And so he said, fine, I'll give the other 32 pounds to the poor.

[00:26:07] The next year, his income went up to 90 pounds. He still only needs 28 pounds to, you know, get by.

[00:26:13] Inflation wasn't too bad for them in England, I guess at the time. And so then he gave away

[00:26:17] 62 pounds and the next year his income grew another 30 pounds to 120 pounds. And as you might expect,

[00:26:24] he gave away 92 pounds at that point. So he just continued to practice his life of just saying,

[00:26:31] every bit of extra money God gives me, I will just keep giving because I really only need to cover

[00:26:36] these 28 pounds to live. My rent, my travel, my all this can be covered by the rest. At one point,

[00:26:42] his income will be 1,400 pounds in one year, but he still only needed 30 pounds to live. So he gave

[00:26:50] away all of the other 1,300 and 70 or whatever it is pounds. And apparently this actually got him

[00:26:56] in trouble a little bit with the English tax people because they were like, there's no way.

[00:27:00] And they had to do, they did a little, what is that called? An eye on him. Like nobody's actually

[00:27:06] going to live on 30 pounds when they have 1,400 pounds coming in. But they came back and they,

[00:27:10] they, we're sorry, I guess you actually are living on 30 pounds with 1,400 pounds coming in. So

[00:27:16] all righty then John Wesley, keep doing what you're doing. We won't, we won't get into your

[00:27:20] hair too much there, which that's a pretty good testament when the, when the, when the English

[00:27:24] version of the IRS is coming after you and, and then they walk it back and go, I guess he, he is

[00:27:29] really that generous. That's a little testimony to the work of John Wesley. You know how many,

[00:27:34] I love, I love the tax records of all of these pastors, right? Is that, is that we're going to,

[00:27:38] I hope, I think we would find 99% of them, but what a, what a testimony if your IRS

[00:27:43] taxing is, is living by the word. These are just a handful of the many stories of John Wesley's

[00:27:48] life. It was not too, we haven't ever done one of these where we just jumped through a bunch

[00:27:52] of these anecdotes, but I hope you enjoyed learning about these little stories from his life. And now

[00:27:57] please enjoy listening to a sermon of his, Justification by Faith.

[00:28:17] To him that works not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly,

[00:28:22] his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4 verse 5. I am first going to show what is the

[00:28:32] general ground of the whole doctrine of justification. Man was made in the image of God,

[00:28:40] holy, just as he that created him is holy. Merciful, as the author of all is merciful.

[00:28:50] Perfect, as his father in heaven is perfect. As God is love, so man dwelling in love,

[00:29:00] dwelt in God and God in him. God made him to be an image of his own eternity

[00:29:10] and an incorruptible picture of the God of glory. He was accordingly pure, as God is pure,

[00:29:21] from every spot of sin. He did not know evil in any kind or degree, but was inwardly and outwardly

[00:29:31] sinless and undefiled. He loved the Lord his God with all his heart and with all his mind

[00:29:42] and soul and strength. To man so upright and perfect, God gave a perfect law to which he

[00:29:52] required full and perfect obedience. He required full obedience in every point and this to be

[00:30:02] performed without any intermission from the moment man became a living soul till the time

[00:30:09] of his trial should be ended. No allowance was made for falling short and there was no need for

[00:30:18] any. Man was altogether able for the task assigned and thoroughly furnished for every good word

[00:30:28] and work. To the entire law of love which was written in his heart, against which perhaps he

[00:30:38] could not sin directly, it seemed good to the sovereign wisdom of God to give just one positive

[00:30:46] law. You will not eat of the fruit of the tree that grows in the midst of the garden,

[00:30:54] giving that penalty which says in the day that you eat of it you will surely die. And such was

[00:31:04] the state of man in paradise. By the free unmerited love of God he was holy and happy. He knew, loved,

[00:31:17] enjoyed God which is in substance life everlasting. And in this life of love he was to continue

[00:31:29] forever if he continued to obey God in all things. But if he disobeyed him he was to surrender all.

[00:31:41] On that day said God you will surely die. Man did disobey God. He ate of the tree

[00:31:53] of which God commanded him saying you will not eat of it. And on that day he was condemned by the

[00:32:02] righteous judgment of God. Then also the sentence which he was warned about began to fall upon him.

[00:32:13] For the moment he tasted that fruit he died. His soul died and was separated from God.

[00:32:22] Separated from the body, the soul has no more life than the body has when separate from the soul.

[00:32:30] His body likewise became corruptible and mortal. So that death then took hold on this also.

[00:32:43] And being already dead in spirit, dead to God, dead in sin, he hurried on to death everlasting.

[00:32:53] To the destruction both of body and soul in the fire never to be quenched. So by one man

[00:33:03] sin entered into the world and death by sin. And so death passed upon all men as being contained

[00:33:15] in him who was the common father and representative of us all. And through the offence of one,

[00:33:25] all are dead. Dead to God, dead in sin, dwelling in an incorruptible mortal body

[00:33:33] shortly to be dissolved and under the sentence of death eternal. For as by one man's disobedience

[00:33:44] all were made sinners so that by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation.

[00:33:56] In this state we, all of mankind were in when God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten

[00:34:06] son to the ends we might not perish but have everlasting life. In the fullness of time he was

[00:34:17] made man, another common head of mankind, a second general parent and representative of the whole

[00:34:28] human race. And as such it was that he bore our griefs, the Lord laying upon him the iniquities

[00:34:40] of us all. Then he was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities.

[00:34:50] He made his soul an offering for sin. He poured out his blood for the transgressors.

[00:34:59] He bare our sins in his own body on the tree that by his stripes we might be healed. And by that one

[00:35:12] offering of himself, once given, he has redeemed me and all mankind. Having then made a full,

[00:35:25] perfect and sufficient sacrifice and satisfaction for the sins of the whole world. In consideration

[00:35:38] of this, that the Son of God has tasted death for every man, God has now reconciled the world

[00:35:47] to himself, not imputing to them their former trespasses. And so, as by the offence of one

[00:35:57] judgment came upon all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of one the free gift

[00:36:06] came upon all men to justification. So that for the sake of his well-beloved Son and of what he

[00:36:16] has done and suffered for us, God now vouchsafes us to remit the punishment due to our sins,

[00:36:27] to reinstate us in his favour and to restore our dead souls to spiritual life and of life

[00:36:36] eternal. This therefore is the general ground and whole doctrine of justification. By the sin of the

[00:36:47] first Adam, who was not only the father but likewise the representative of us all, we all fell short

[00:36:57] of the favour of God. We all became children of wrath or as the Apostle expresses it, judgment

[00:37:07] came upon all men to condemnation. Even so, by the sacrifice for sin made by the second Adam,

[00:37:17] as the representative of us all, God has so far reconciled to all the world that he has given

[00:37:25] them a new covenant, the plain condition of being once fulfilled. There is no more condemnation for

[00:37:34] us but we are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Jesus Christ.

[00:37:46] But what is it to be justified? What is justification? This is the second thing which I propose to show.

[00:37:57] For it is evident that it is not the person made actually just and righteous. This is

[00:38:05] sanctification which is indeed in some degree the immediate fruit of justification but nevertheless

[00:38:15] is a distinct gift of God and of a totally different nature. The one implies what God does for us

[00:38:23] through his Son, the other what he works for us by his Spirit. So that, although some rare

[00:38:32] instances may be found wherein the term justified or justification is used in such a wide sense as

[00:38:40] to include sanctification also, yet in general use they are sufficiently distinguished from each other

[00:38:49] both by St Paul and the other inspired writers. Neither is that far-fetched idea that justification

[00:38:57] is done to clear us from accusation, particularly that of Satan, easily provable from any clear text

[00:39:05] of holy writ. In the whole scriptural account of this matter as above laid down, neither that accuser

[00:39:14] nor his accusation appears to be at all taken into any account. It cannot be indeed denied that

[00:39:24] he is the accuser of men, emphatically so called, but it does not appear that the great apostle has

[00:39:32] any reference to this more or less in all he has written touching justification either to the Romans

[00:39:40] or the Galatians. It is also far easier to take for granted than to prove from any clear scripture

[00:39:49] testimony that justification is the clearing us from accusation brought against us by the law,

[00:39:57] at least if this forced unnatural way of speaking means either more or less than this, that where we

[00:40:05] have to transgress the law of God and then are deserved the damnation of hell, but God does not

[00:40:13] inflict on those who are justified the punishment which they otherwise deserve.

[00:40:21] Least of all does justification imply that God is deceived by those whom he justifies,

[00:40:28] that he thinks them to be in fact what they are not, that he accounts them to be different than

[00:40:37] they are. It does by no means imply that God judges us concerning us contrary to the real nature of

[00:40:48] things, that he esteems us better than we really are or believes us righteous when we are unrighteous.

[00:40:58] Surely not. The judgment of the all-wise God is always according to truth, neither can it ever

[00:41:07] consist with his unerring wisdom to think that I am innocent, to judge that I am righteous or holy

[00:41:16] because another is. He can no more in this manner confound me with Christ than with David or Abraham,

[00:41:27] let any man to whom God has given understanding weigh this without prejudice, and he cannot help

[00:41:35] that perceive that such a notion of justification is neither reconcilable to reason nor scripture.

[00:41:44] The plain scriptural notion of justification is pardon, the forgiveness of sins. It is that act

[00:41:53] of God the Father which he shows out of his righteousness or mercy by the remission of the

[00:42:00] sins that are past. This is the easy natural account of it given by St Paul throughout this

[00:42:08] whole epistle, so he explains it himself more particularly in this and in the following

[00:42:15] chapter. So in the next verses but one to the text, blessed are they says he whose iniquities

[00:42:25] are forgiven and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

[00:42:36] To him that is justified or forgiven God will not impute sin to his condemnation,

[00:42:44] he will not condemn him on that account either in this world or in that which is to come.

[00:42:52] His sins, all his past sins, in thought word and deed are covered, are blotted out,

[00:43:03] will not be remembered or mentioned against him any more than if they had not been.

[00:43:10] God will not inflict on that sinner what he deserved to suffer because the son of his love

[00:43:18] has suffered for him. And from the time we are accepted through the beloved,

[00:43:26] reconciled to God through his blood, he loves and blesses and watches over us for good,

[00:43:35] even as if we had never sinned. Indeed the apostle in one place seems to extend the meaning of the

[00:43:44] word much farther where he says not the hearers of the law but the doers of the law will be

[00:43:52] justified. Here he appears to refer to our justification to the sentence of the great day

[00:44:00] and so our Lord himself unquestionably does when he says by your words you will be justified,

[00:44:08] proving here that for every idle word men will speak they will give an account on the day of

[00:44:15] judgment. But perhaps we can hardly produce another instance of St Paul's using the word

[00:44:21] in that distant sense. In the general tenor of his writings it is evident he does not

[00:44:27] at least of all in the text before us which undeniably speaks not of those who have already

[00:44:35] finished their course but of those who are now just setting out, just beginning to run the race

[00:44:43] which is set before them. But now this is the third thing which was to be considered.

[00:44:52] Who are they that are justified? And the apostle tells us that the Lord himself

[00:44:59] and the apostle tells us expressly the ungodly. He that is God justifies the ungodly,

[00:45:09] the ungodly of every kind and degree and none but the ungodly as they that are righteous need

[00:45:19] no repentance so they need no forgiveness. It is only sinners that have any occasion for pardon.

[00:45:29] It is sin alone which admits of being forgiven. Forgiveness therefore has an immediate reference

[00:45:37] to sin and in this respect to nothing else. It is our righteousness, it is our unrighteousness

[00:45:46] to which the pardoning God is merciful. It is our iniquity which he remembers no more.

[00:45:57] This seems not to be at all considered by those who so vehemently contend that a man must be

[00:46:05] sanctified, that is holy before he can be justified. Especially by such of them as affirm

[00:46:14] that universal holiness or obedience must precede justification unless they mean that justification

[00:46:21] at the last day which is wholly out of the present question. So far from it that the very

[00:46:29] supposition is not only flatly impossible for where there is no love of God there is no holiness

[00:46:38] and there is no love of God but from a sense of his loving us but also grossly intrinsically

[00:46:47] absurd contradictory to itself. For it is not a saint but a sinner that is forgiven and under

[00:46:55] the notion of a sinner God justifies not the godly but the ungodly, not those who are holy

[00:47:05] already but the unholy. Upon what condition he does this will be considered quickly but whatever

[00:47:14] it is it cannot be holiness. To assert this is to say the lamb of God takes away only those sins

[00:47:25] which were taken away before. Does the good shepherd seek and save only those that are found

[00:47:35] already? No, he seeks and saves that which is lost. He pardons those who need his pardoning mercy.

[00:47:48] He saves from the guilt of sin and at the same time from the power sinners of every kind

[00:47:57] of every degree men who till then were altogether ungodly those in whom the love of the father

[00:48:08] was not and consequently in whom dwelt no good thing no good or truly christian temper

[00:48:17] but all such as were evil and abominable pride anger love of the world the genuine fruits of that

[00:48:27] carnal mind which is enmity against God. Those who are sick the burdens of those sins is intolerable

[00:48:41] are those who need a doctor those who are guilty who groan under the wrath of God

[00:48:49] are those that need a pardon those who are condemned already not only by God but also by

[00:48:58] their own conscience as by a thousand witnesses of all their ungodliness both in thought and word

[00:49:08] and work cry aloud for him that justifies the ungodly through the redemption that is in Jesus

[00:49:20] the ungodly and him that does not work that does not work before he is justified anything that is

[00:49:30] good that is truly virtuous or holy but only evil things continually for his heart is necessarily

[00:49:40] essentially evil till the love of God is shed abroad therein and while the tree is corrupt

[00:49:50] so are the fruits for an evil tree cannot bring out good fruit if it is objected no but

[00:50:01] a man before he is justified may feed the hungry or clothe the naked and these are good works

[00:50:10] the answer is easy he may do these even before he is justified and these are in one sense good

[00:50:19] works they are good and profitable to men but it does not follow that they are strictly speaking

[00:50:28] good in themselves or good in the sight of God all truly good works to use the words of our church

[00:50:38] follow after justification and they are therefore good and acceptable to God in Christ because they

[00:50:49] spring out of a true and living faith so logically all works done before justification are not good

[00:50:59] in the Christian sense for they do not spring out of faith in Jesus Christ although from some kind

[00:51:07] of faith in God they may even spring rather for that they are not done as God had willed and

[00:51:16] commanded them to be done we do not doubt however strange it may appear to some except they have

[00:51:23] the nature of sin perhaps who doubt this have not duly considered the weighty reason which is here

[00:51:31] assigned why no works done before justification can be truly and properly good the argument plainly

[00:51:41] runs as no works are good which are not done as God had willed and commanded them to be done

[00:51:50] since no works done before justification are done as God has willed and commanded them to be done

[00:51:58] therefore no works done before justification are good the first proposition is self-evident

[00:52:07] and the second that no works done before justification are done as God had willed

[00:52:13] and commanded them to be done will appear equally plain and undeniable if we only consider God had

[00:52:22] willed and commanded that all our works should be done in charity in agape in love in that love to

[00:52:31] God which produces love to all mankind but none of our works can be done in this love while the love

[00:52:42] of the father as God as our father is not in us and this love cannot be in us till we receive

[00:52:53] the spirit of adoption crying in our hearts Abba father the fourth thing to show is on what terms

[00:53:07] then is he justified who is altogether ungodly and till that time works not on one alone

[00:53:19] that is faith he believes in him that justifies the ungodly and he that believes is not condemned

[00:53:31] yes he is passed from death to life for the righteousness or mercy of God is by faith

[00:53:42] of Jesus Christ to all and upon all them that believe whom God has set forth for a propitiation

[00:53:51] through faith in his blood that he might be just and consistently with his justice

[00:53:59] the justifier of him who believes in Jesus therefore we conclude that a man is justified

[00:54:10] by faith without the deeds of the law without previous obedience to the moral law which up

[00:54:17] until now he could not have performed that is the moral law and that alone which is here intended

[00:54:25] appears evidently from the words that follow do we then make void the law through faith

[00:54:33] God forbid yes we establish the law what law do we establish by faith not the ritual law

[00:54:43] not the ceremonial law of Moses in no way but the great unchangeable law of love the holy love

[00:54:54] of God and of our neighbour faith in general is a divine supernatural evidence or conviction

[00:55:06] of things not seen faith is not discoverable by our bodily senses as being either past future

[00:55:16] or spiritual justifying faith implies not only by divine evidence or conviction that God was in Christ

[00:55:26] reconciling the world to himself but it is a sure trust and confidence that Christ died for my sins

[00:55:36] that he loved me that he gave himself for me and at whatever time a sinner so believes

[00:55:44] be it in early childhood in the strength of his years or when he is old and grey-haired

[00:55:53] God justifies that ungodly one God for the sake of his son pardons and absolves him

[00:56:04] who had in him till then no good thing repentance indeed God had given him before

[00:56:18] but that repentance was neither more nor less than a deep sense of the lack of all good and

[00:56:25] the presence of all evil and whatever good he has or does from that hour when he first believed in

[00:56:34] God through Christ faith does not find but bring this is the fruit of faith first the tree is good

[00:56:46] and then the fruit is good also I cannot describe the nature of this faith better than in the words

[00:56:57] our own church the only instrument of salvation which justified justification is one branch

[00:57:05] is faith that is a sure trust and confidence that God both has and will forgive our sins

[00:57:14] that he has accepted us again into his favour for the merits of Christ's death and passion

[00:57:22] but here we must take heed that we do not halt with God through an inconstant wavering faith

[00:57:30] Peter coming to Christ upon the water because he fainted in faith was in danger of drowning

[00:57:40] and so we if we begin to waver or doubt it is to be feared that we will sink as Peter did

[00:57:49] not into the water but into the bottomless pit of hellfire this quote comes from the second

[00:57:56] sermon on the passion therefore have a sure and constant faith not only that the death of Christ

[00:58:05] is available for all the world but that he has made a full and sufficient sacrifice for you

[00:58:13] a perfect cleansing of your sins so that you may say with the apostle he loved you and gave himself

[00:58:24] for you for this is to make Christ your own and to apply his merits to yourself

[00:58:33] this is from the sermon on the sacrament first part by affirming that this faith is the condition

[00:58:43] or term of justification i mean that there is no justification without it he that does not believe

[00:58:53] is condemned already and so long as he does not believe that condemnation cannot be removed but

[00:59:02] the wrath of God abides on him and there is as there is no other name given under heaven than

[00:59:11] that of Jesus of Nazareth no other merit by which a condemned sinner can ever be saved from the guilt

[00:59:19] of sin so there is no other way of obtaining a share in his merit than by faith in his name

[00:59:31] so that as long as we are without this faith we are strangers to the covenant of promise

[00:59:38] we are aliens from the commonwealth of israel and without God in the world whatever virtues so

[00:59:47] called a man may have i speak of those to whom the gospel is preached for what have i have to

[00:59:55] have to do to judge them who are without whatever good works he may do it profits nothing

[01:00:03] he is still a child of wrath still under the curse till he believes in Jesus

[01:00:13] faith therefore is the necessary condition of justification yes and the only necessary

[01:00:23] condition this is the second point carefully to be seen that the very moment God gives faith

[01:00:32] for it is the gift of God to the ungodly that works not that faith is counted to him for

[01:00:41] righteousness he has no righteousness at all before this not a lack of righteousness or innocence

[01:00:52] but faith is imputed to him for righteousness the very moment that he believes

[01:00:59] not that God as was observed before thinks him to be what he is not but as he made Christ to

[01:01:08] be sin for us that is treated him as a sinner punished him for our sins so he counts us

[01:01:18] righteous from the time we believe in him that is he does not punish us for our sins

[01:01:28] yes treats us as though we are guiltless and righteous surely the difficulty of assenting

[01:01:41] to this proposition that faith is the only condition of justification must arise from not

[01:01:49] understanding it we mean this much that is that it is the only thing without which none is justified

[01:01:58] the only thing that is immediately indispensably absolutely required in order to pardon

[01:02:07] as on the one hand though a man should have everything else without faith yet he cannot be

[01:02:16] justified so on the other hand though he is supposed to lack everything else yet if he has

[01:02:26] faith he is justified for suppose a sinner of any kind or degree in a full sense of his total

[01:02:35] ungodliness of his utter inability to think speak or do good for his absolute readiness for hellfire

[01:02:47] but suppose i say this sinner helpless and hopeless

[01:02:53] casts himself wholly on the mercy of God in Christ which indeed he cannot do but by the

[01:03:02] grace of God who can doubt that he is forgiven in that very moment

[01:03:10] who will say that any more is required before that sinner can be justified it does not become

[01:03:21] poor guilty sinful worms who receive whatever blessings they enjoy from the least drop of

[01:03:31] water that cools our tongue to the immense riches of glory in eternity of grace of mere faith

[01:03:40] of grace of mere favor and not of debt to ask of God the reasons of his conduct

[01:03:49] it is not right for us to call him into question who gives account to none of his ways

[01:03:56] and to demand why did you make faith the condition the only condition of justification

[01:04:04] why did you decree he that believes and he only will be saved this is the very point on which

[01:04:14] Saint Paul so strongly insists in the ninth chapter of this epistle that the terms of

[01:04:20] pardons and acceptance must depend not on us but on him that calls us that there is no

[01:04:31] unrighteousness with God in creating his own terms not according to ours but his own good

[01:04:39] pleasure who may justly say i will have mercy on whom i will have mercy so then it is not of him

[01:04:50] that wills nor of him that runs to choose the condition on which he will find acceptance

[01:04:57] but of God that shows mercy that accepts none at all but of his own free love his unmerited

[01:05:07] goodness therefore has he mercy on whom he will have mercy on those who believe on the son of his

[01:05:19] love and whom he will that is those who do not believe he hardens and leaves at last to them

[01:05:29] to the hardness of their hearts one reason however we may humbly conceive of God's fixing this

[01:05:39] condition of justification if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ you will be saved was to hide

[01:05:48] pride from man pride had already destroyed the very angels of God had cast down a third part

[01:05:58] of the stars of heaven it was likewise in great measure owing to this when the tempter said you

[01:06:09] will be as gods that Adam fell from his own steadfastness and brought sin and death into the

[01:06:18] world it was therefore an instance of wisdom worthy of God to appoint such a condition of

[01:06:28] reconciliation for him and all his posterity as might effectually humble might abase them

[01:06:37] to the dust and such is faith it is specially fitted for this end for he that comes to God by

[01:06:49] this faith must fix his eye singly on his own wickedness on his guilt and helplessness without

[01:06:58] having the least regard to any supposed good in himself to any virtue or righteousness of any kind

[01:07:07] he must come as a mere sinner inwardly and outwardly self-destroyed and self-condemned

[01:07:17] bringing nothing to God but ungodliness only pleading nothing of his own but sin and misery

[01:07:30] so it is and it alone when his mouth is stopped and he stands utterly guilty before God

[01:07:40] that he can look to Jesus as the whole and sole propitiation for his sins

[01:07:49] so only can he be found in him and receive the righteousness which is of God by faith

[01:08:00] you ungodly one who hears these words you vile helpless miserable sinner

[01:08:08] I charge you before God the judge of all go straight to him with all your ungodliness

[01:08:19] take heed you do not destroy your own soul by pleading your own righteousness more or less

[01:08:29] go as altogether ungodly guilty lost destroyed deserving and dropping into hell

[01:08:40] and you will then find favor in his sight and know that he justifies the ungodly

[01:08:49] ungodly as such you will be brought to the blood of sprinkling as an undone helpless damned sinner

[01:09:01] so look to Jesus there is the lamb of God who takes away your sins do not plead any works or

[01:09:14] righteousness of your own no humility contrite contrition sincerity none of that

[01:09:24] that would in very deed deny the Lord that bought you no plead you singly the blood of the covenant

[01:09:37] the ransom paid for your proud stubborn sinful soul who are you that now sees and feels both

[01:09:47] your inward and outward ungodliness you are the man I want you for my Lord I challenge you for a

[01:09:59] child of God by faith the Lord has need of you you who feel you are just fit for hell

[01:10:11] are also just fit to advance his glory the glory of his free grace justifying the ungodly

[01:10:22] and him that works not oh come quickly believe in the Lord Jesus and you even you are reconciled to

[01:10:38] God thank you for listening to today's episode of revived thoughts today's sermon was narrated by

[01:10:55] Guthrie Guthrie uh probably you know with that we don't get very many accents on the show very

[01:11:01] often but that's probably a decent representation of what uh Wesley would have sounded like with

[01:11:06] his accent yeah I met I met Guthrie a little while back he's a really great guy and I told him about

[01:11:13] our podcast he was interested he gave it a listen he has as far as I know been enjoying the show

[01:11:17] he told me we introduced him to Charles Spurgeon and many other uh people and he wanted to read an

[01:11:22] episode for us asked if he could do John Wesley because I believe he either lived near where John

[01:11:27] Wesley was or was just very familiar with John Wesley and I was like hey definitely go for it

[01:11:32] and this was the sermon he picked out so thank you so much Guthrie for reading that

[01:11:37] and if you would like to read an episode of revived thoughts we're always looking for

[01:11:40] other speakers and and not not not trying to be biased or anything but we have a lot of American

[01:11:46] speakers and I think they do a wonderful job but I also think that all of my American uh speakers

[01:11:52] would agree that we would love to have more people with the proper accents if they wanted

[01:11:57] to come on and read if we could get some more uh British people to read uh some more people from

[01:12:02] Europe to come on and read some of these accented sermons that would also be pretty cool I and as we

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