Christians are constantly bombarded with news, headlines, and politics. But how should Christians read the news?
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Revived Thoughts is a production of Revived Studios.
00:09 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Troy, and you were listening to Revived Thoughts.
00:18 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Every episode, we usually bring you a different voice and speaker from history, and the or sometimes Joel and I will do a revived conversation, we'll take a subject apart using church history kind of as our lens and our guiding principle, but this episode, Joel is not able to make it, he's in Uganda, and so I will be recording this episode solo, similar to a few episodes we've done in the past about this time last year.
00:41 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I did one on the French Revolution, we've done one before on Woodrow Wilson, the Post Millennial President.
00:47 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And Joel recently did one in December on the Colosseum.
00:51 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: These are just some standalone episodes because everybody's not ready and on here, not able to come together this time.
00:57 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, this isn't an episode and idea I've had for a little while, and it's on a subject that truly, I think it's not a maybe an exaggeration to say, pretty much every Christian on some level has to deal with this subject, and yet it's not actually something I see a lot of Christians talking about all that often.
01:17 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is how do Christians interact with the news, the media, the constant stream of just headlines that life hits us with that we are we are going to have to go through to know today's headlines are yesterday's history and a show like ours is just in a sense going through the historical subjects of what was once the news of the day right like we we read and tell you these stories, but at one point those were breaking headlines for the people alive at the time.
01:44 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, despite the fact that every single Christian has to kind of look at how they interact with the news, I don't, when I walk into a Christian bookstore, I don't see, you know, I don't really walk into a lot of Christian bookstores due to where I live.
01:55 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm walking into a Christian bookstore, I don't see a lot of books on how to read the news.
02:00 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't hear a lot of, you know, I spend a lot of time dabbling in Christian theology sections on, you know, different social media.
02:07 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't see actually a lot of Christians talking about how our Christians supposed to read the news.
02:12 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, the political commentators, you know, those guys often times will do that.
02:18 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And then nothing, you may be a listener and you may have a favorite political commentator.
02:23 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times though, political commentators are not always the best for Christian theology.
02:28 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it's really interesting to me when we first started revive thoughts.
02:32 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone mentioned to us that Christian podcasting is actually the biggest genre of podcasting
02:41 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_00]: To, you know, the three guys at your church, you're in a basement talking theology over pints or something like that like this is a gigantic genre and Christians are all turning their podcast on trying to speak to the world and share the good news and the faith they have and you may have even some people you know, even outside of our show who make Christian shows.
03:01 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But ironically, again, I don't see a lot of these shows talking about how to handle and how to deal with the news either.
03:09 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I think some of the theology shows and stuff like that can tackle, maybe they don't own tackle headlines, but they might tackle a subject's per se.
03:18 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they don't actually really tackle the day-to-day new stuff, or the day-to-day news commentator types will sometimes be Christians, too, and they'll mention their faith maybe as they go.
03:27 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, there's not a lot of crossover between these two.
03:30 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But with this and how we really do things though, we are not the theology show.
03:33 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We always try to tell people, you might, I would imagine theology comes from our show because the study of God.
03:38 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, studying truth.
03:39 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to see that, especially in the sermons that we, you know, have are the lives of the people lived in our show like Revire Thoughts or a show like Martyrs and Missionaries.
03:47 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: This stuff comes up.
03:48 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But...
03:49 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't really consider ourselves like a theology show.
03:51 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't open the Bible and say, hey, here we're going to talk about transubstantiation today or we're going to talk about those subjects come up as we do the research and we will talk about it.
04:00 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But send our goal is not to set a new standard for you theology, and yet...
04:04 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: To study history, you do need to kind of interact with news, and I do think as Christians today, we need to understand how to interact with news.
04:12 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes it's almost easier if we look at the past and say, well, how was the news?
04:16 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: How has the news been interacted with in the past?
04:19 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Can sometimes help us to understand how the news, you know, there are certain patterns that we see.
04:23 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, one way to look at this though is to just jump in with a very, very controversial subject.
04:28 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to do that today.
04:29 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to jump in with probably one of the most controversial subjects of our lifetime, which is COVID-19.
04:35 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a time even just saying COVID-19 would...
04:38 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Immediately emails and messages and comments would be sent because no matter what you said, something you said in this area would have been a group of people listening to the show or something like that.
04:48 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There was another time too when even just saying COVID-19 would get you a would get you throttled where your show would not even do as well.
04:54 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of people just didn't talk about it.
04:58 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But I can't help but think of a
05:00 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: COVID-19 is without a doubt going to be one of the biggest historical events in our lifetimes, right?
05:06 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And less there's a world worth three on the margins coming up or something, you know, a nuclear bomb, those others are like that.
05:11 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Without a doubt when the history books are written 20 of 30 years from now, this era that we're living in will be the COVID and post-COVID era.
05:19 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And these things that what I find a lot of people don't actually want to talk about.
05:24 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't sit around a lot of dinner tables and hear people mentioning Colbert, which is very interesting to me.
05:28 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if that's true in other time periods.
05:30 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're sitting around the dinner tables, families and World War II, would they be trying to avoid talking about World War II or during the Great Depression, would everyone be avoiding and mentioning the Great Depression?
05:42 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
05:42 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Syrian most historical moment civil war, or maybe the black plague, they probably wouldn't be sitting around tables, they'd be hiding from one another, but I think a most historical moment when people lived through something historical.
05:54 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: With people talked about 9-11 being a history ground breaking moment, it was talked about a lot.
05:58 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And COVID-19 though, is unique because boy, we talked about it a lot.
06:02 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And the year 2020, maybe they're 2021.
06:04 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But today, nobody really taught, at least in the circles I run and I talk to and I mention, a lot of people are scared to talk about it, but then once you open the conversation up, a lot of people will then vent and share their feelings, but it's like it's been pent up.
06:17 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like they've been nervous to bring this up because they're afraid of repercussions.
06:21 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very interesting phenomenon.
06:23 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just my own, I've noticed this and interacting with people and talking with people, but we'll, okay, let's go to the news.
06:29 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Now recently, and this recently for me is April of 2025, and then the thing is, article came out in 20 March of, so the month ago, New York Times put out, and article is said, the public badly, quote, here's the headline, public badly misled by the scientific community about COVID origins.
06:47 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And this was a discussion that a New York Times columnist innate.
06:50 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Now if you're looking, and you're going, okay, this is where,
06:53 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Troy of Levi-Thoss is going to give everything COVID and this episode I assure you is not about COVID-19.
06:59 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: This episode is about the news and how Christians interact with it.
07:02 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But it requires us to talk about one of the biggest news items of our lifetime for a moment.
07:06 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to do that.
07:08 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But in this article, the near times are,
07:10 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: person, presents basically very clearly that many scientists knew COVID-19 was probably created in the lab that it was very obvious early on, and that many scientists in their own private chats and discords mentioned this to each other and they were able, and they were saying, hey, we think this was made a lab privately, but then publicly they were leading journalists and others to believe that there's no way this was made in a lab.
07:34 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Now,
07:34 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: There's many different people of commented on this.
07:37 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not aware of this article, it made the rounds in a lot of places.
07:40 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But to me, one thing that was fascinating to me was the lack of outrage by the media and the journalists.
07:48 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Nowhere in the article, at all, in the entire New York Times article, and go read it.
07:52 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're a questioner, you're not sure.
07:54 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And you may be saying, how do I do that without a New York Times subscription?
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I.
07:58 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, can't help you with that because I also don't have a nearer times descriptions.
08:01 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd have a friend of mine was able to help me read these articles because I don't read the New York Times.
08:05 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I put the New York Times will actually feature a lot on this episode because they have a interesting hand in history.
08:11 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But, but you may be going, okay, well, here's for me.
08:13 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the part that I couldn't understand.
08:15 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm a journalist and my job, right?
08:17 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The ideal journalist.
08:19 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: is I'm going to speak the truth, I'm going to root out corruption.
08:22 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell the facts the way they are and let the truth fall and whoever gets hurt gets hurt, but the truth has to prevail.
08:27 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That's our ideal image of a journalist, right?
08:31 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: If I find out that I've been lying to by the scientific community that they made me put my reputation on the line, I was told by everyone that I was speaking truth, that the lab leak was a conspiracy theory and then it turned out they all knew it wasn't.
08:47 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: wouldn't you be angry?
08:49 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't you be frustrated and mad?
08:51 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't you be saying, journalist can't let this happen again.
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We can't let them treat us this way.
08:57 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: If it hadn't been for a freedom of information after a quest, if it hadn't been granted, if these documents hadn't been discovered, these guys would have gotten away with just completely hood winking all these journalists.
09:08 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you could say, well, why were the journalists so easily deceived?
09:10 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And the first place shouldn't they have asked more questions?
09:13 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But where was the anger?
09:15 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Where was the outrage from these journalists when they found out?
09:18 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact,
09:19 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: still, where if I'm a journalist and I have been saying for years, hey, COVID was definitely not from a lab league.
09:26 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a conspiracy theory.
09:28 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It was from a bat in the Wuhan markets.
09:30 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Now wait a second, why aren't they out there every day asking scientists to explain themselves for their actions?
09:35 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_00]: There should be constant articles in where is it?
09:40 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is the upsetness?
09:41 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Because for me, when someone lies to me,
09:44 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hurt.
09:45 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And as someone lies to me publicly and I put my reputation behind them, and my entire brain and my entire public perception is built on my reputation, where is the frustration?
09:55 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And there hasn't seemed to be much of that.
09:57 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very strange phenomena, isn't it?
09:59 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That the journalists and reporters aren't really all that set upset that they were tricked by these guys.
10:05 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And now, five years after the fact, what many people said would you stick at you taking off of YouTube or get to you take an off the internet, would get your
10:12 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_00]: account ban on Facebook saying that COVID came from a lab leak is now considered just basic truth and no one's very upset about that.
10:19 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, let me use two more articles and then we'll put COVID-19 behind us, but I'm using these to tell you that I have a lot of historical examples in this episode that I think are really interesting.
10:28 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: but don't think for a second that all of this stopped happening in history.
10:33 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you could get the perception, okay?
10:34 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the news was bad back then, but we fixed it now.
10:37 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we can see from the COVID-19-19 articles that the same things that were happening then are still happening today.
10:43 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The first one is an article about China five years ago, October 18, 2020, during the height of COVID-19, New York Times published this, with COVID-19 under control of China's economy surges ahead.
10:56 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Exports have jumped in local governments are engaged in a binge of debt-fueled construction projects, even because it was spending is finally recovering.
11:03 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: This article by a man named Keith Bradshaw goes on to say Beijing as most of the world's struggles of the coronavirus pandemic.
11:10 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is October of 2020.
11:11 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: China has shown once again that a fast economic rebound is possible when the virus has brought firmly under control.
11:17 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The Chinese economy surges at 4.9% in the July to September quarter, compared with the same months last year, the countries, national bureau of statistics announced on Monday.
11:26 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_00]: The robust performance brings China back up to almost its normal 6% of
11:33 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Many of the world's major economies have climbed quickly out of the deck so the depths of the contraction last spring when shutdowns cause output to fall steeply, but China's the first to report growth that significantly surpasses where it was at this time last year.
11:45 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_00]: The United States and other nations are expected to report a third quarter surge too, but they are still catching up.
11:50 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: China's lead could widen further in the months to come and it's almost no local transmission of the virus while the Ice States in Europe face another accelerating wave of cases.
11:59 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: The vaguest expansion of the Chinese economy means that it set to dominate global growth Accounting for at least 30% of the world's economic growth this year and in years to come and so on and so forth You get the idea right according to the New York Times in 2020 October China is
12:16 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_00]: is exploding economically.
12:18 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: A China is doing a wonderful work you can see a bright future for China.
12:23 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Now let's look at an article about China in March 2025 and the same New York Times by Vivian Wong.
12:30 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He says, quote, let's not talk about it.
12:32 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Five years later, China's COVID shadow lingers.
12:34 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: People who endured the longest COVID restrictions in the world are still grappling with what they lost, their loved ones are livelihoods, their dignity.
12:41 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_00]: According from the article, bit by bit, the traces of Shanghai's coronavirus lockdown in 2022 have disappeared from around the stir-fi restaurant that was once there.
12:49 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The snow of rotten eggs, when officials carted her off to quarantine, without letting her refrigerate her groceries as long on.
12:56 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The testing boost man by workers and MS suits have been disabled.
12:59 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Even her neighbors have moved away from the century old neighborhood that had one of the highest infection rates.
13:04 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Soon the neighborhood itself will vanish.
13:06 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Officials have decided to destroy it.
13:08 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: With that said, Ms. Fuz restaurant is one of the few businesses still open and a row of darkened store fronts and caution signs taped to doorways.
13:15 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But the boarded up windows have done little to contain the emotional legacy of that time.
13:19 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The grueling Munstown mockdown of 26 million people.
13:22 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Some residents had prided themselves on living in China's wealthiest city, found themselves suddenly unable to buy food or medicine.
13:28 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They wondered when they might be dragged off to a quarantine and forcefully separated from their children.
13:33 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Miss Foo herself spent 39 days in the mass quarantine center with no idea when she'd be allowed out.
13:37 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: After she was finally released into the lot, still locked down city.
13:41 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_00]: She had to sneak into her restaurant for rice and oil because she didn't have enough food at home.
13:44 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: She felt like a part of her had been permanently dull.
13:47 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Since my time in quarantine, I don't have a temper anymore.
13:49 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really have a personality anymore.
13:52 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, my goodness, we could keep going, but I think we get the idea.
13:55 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't we?
13:56 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: New York Times, on the one hand, China five years ago, set to explode economically.
14:00 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the best level.
14:01 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's right five years later, the same New York Times without even an apology or even an admission of, hey, we once said that China was doing really really good, but actually she's not doing very very good.
14:11 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: The stores are closing.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The people have been crushed.
14:13 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: The lockdowns and quarantines have destroyed them.
14:16 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Well,
14:17 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_00]: what happened?
14:18 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the same.
14:20 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: One of these, the October articles coming during the height of the pandemic, and yet during that time, China's free and happy, and then the other article is coming years after the pandemic when China's crushed.
14:30 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, the question is, which one do I trust or do I trust either of them?
14:35 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Because after all, they're lying to me at one article, they might be lying to me in both articles, maybe to either articles true.
14:40 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: what do we do?
14:41 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you see the news is all around us all the time.
14:44 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: We Christians are getting hit with headlight after headlight, all around the world.
14:48 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_00]: In a way that no other group of people have ever quite truly lived.
14:51 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And to degree, this is not always bad.
14:53 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It is used to be said a Christian should preach with a newspaper in one hand and the Bible in the other because actually I think it's a Bible in these papers.
14:59 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you should be aware of what's going on today and using the Bible, you can help your congregants understand what's being said in the newspaper as well.
15:06 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think there's some truth to that.
15:07 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But we also
15:09 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're getting buzzed with headline and article notifications and podcasts and everything else, 24, 7, how can you possibly keep up?
15:18 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And the temptation seems to be to go down one of mainly two routes.
15:21 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of Christians who just trust anything the news reports.
15:25 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They just believe it.
15:26 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If someone like the New York Times says it, then it's probably true.
15:29 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're not a believer in those kind of articles and academic institutions and you're kind of dumb here,
15:34 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_00]: you're one of those backward Christians, the embarrassing kind, right?
15:37 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The kind that we don't want to be associated with those kind of rural redneck type of Christians that are too slow to believe in the basic academic elite world.
15:45 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But of course, if you're one of those Christians, I have to ask well how do you explain the New York Times flip-flop on China?
15:50 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you explain the New York Times's lack of outrage when they were lied to about COVID-19?
15:55 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: How can you expect me to trust an institution that so blatantly doesn't tell the truth?
16:01 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_00]: on the other side of it.
16:02 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're the kind of Christian who's, you know, who's always mistrusting and everything the media says doesn't believe anything at all.
16:08 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, how can you trust anything that?
16:10 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_00]: How can you trust basic media?
16:11 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_00]: How can you trust history on any level?
16:14 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_00]: This can lead you down some dark past and we can see right now there is a growing movement to completely reject everything because the media or history as books have said it, then it must be the opposite of truth and this is allowing people to deny the Holocaust and deny all kinds of things that
16:28 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Are very well based out through truth.
16:30 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, what do we do then?
16:32 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we just reject everything and become cynical and unable to trust anything?
16:36 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Or do we trust authorities that have constantly let us illustrate?
16:40 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's look at history and see if we can see some examples of what to do.
16:43 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And let's remember that most of the news media has always had this bias.
16:47 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a reason why the sun newspapers are called things like the Tennessee Democrats.
16:52 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's because a lot of the newspapers that were found today were originally founded by political parties like Democrats for Tennessee who would write the news of the day.
16:59 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're very, very biased viewpoint.
17:02 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They would sell their newspaper and then the Republican version of it would sell their newspaper and they would battle over who's correct and who's wrong.
17:09 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And this was considered a very common thing to do.
17:12 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And over time, we created the idea of the unbiased, the neutral newspapers.
17:18 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this was done in response to, I can't trust for the Tennessee Democrats, as he always says nice thing about the Democrats.
17:24 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can't trust the Tennessee Republicans, always say, in Republic.
17:27 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Because he's only saying nice things about the Republicans.
17:29 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I need somebody who's kind of going in between these two sources.
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And that happened.
17:34 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We got these news reporters who started to try to beat that middle.
17:37 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting to me because here we are in the precipice that these early days of the information age.
17:43 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to be going to call it where everyone has access to information and we see a similar problem, right?
17:47 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The New York Times, which was once supposed to be unbiased, the CNNs of the day, seemed to be losing viewers and losing their trust and society.
17:56 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And people are splitting now into these other camps.
17:59 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: These much more biased news sources, but they know they're biased.
18:03 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They understand who they're standing for.
18:05 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going back to the Tennessee Democrat and the Tennessee Republican style newspapers because at least I know they're going to be biased I know the side they're going to be on they're not going to try and trick me like I think the New York Times and seeing in it many of them have now kind of come across
18:21 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go over though, because I want to tell you a story.
18:24 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: 1917, people were walking around Coney Island.
18:27 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never been to Coney Island and I must confess.
18:29 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never been to New York City except for, you know, to lay over at a airport and I don't count that.
18:34 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's this, you know, there's famous Coney Island's famous for having these fairs and these exhibits of people would see these things.
18:39 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, they see the bearded woman, for example, or the dog faced man, and they see all kinds of different carnival acts, but as he walked around, he might have noticed one building that would stand out, different than all the others.
18:51 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: This building had a unique name called the baby hatchery, and he would see inside of this building as he walked in, he'd have to pay a quarter to come in, 25 cents, but you would see these big machines, and inside these machines were babies.
19:03 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Then a little window, and you could see the little babies inside the window.
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: What were these machines?
19:08 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They were called incubators.
19:10 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, today, incubators are well-known, and they're used for helping premature babies survive outside the womb when they're born to early.
19:19 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But at the time, one scientist described incubators as quote, Passay.
19:22 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_00]: They were an idea that they weren't going to work, and they weren't useful and we didn't have a way to use them.
19:28 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't doing anything.
19:30 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And during this time, this man, this gentleman, who, later on, it was found out, didn't even have a degree in doctoring.
19:36 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He was not a medical professional at all, and make me lied about his credentials, as it were.
19:43 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, he would create this building.
19:47 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We're called the baby hatchery, and he would put these machines in there, and they would save the lives of many, many, many children.
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Now,
19:54 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_00]: why would they need the lives to be saved in the first place?
19:57 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you may not know this, but around the year 1917, it was also considered passe to even help save prematurely born children.
20:05 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Scientists were making a bold case that things like the baby hatchery shouldn't even exist at all.
20:11 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, according to Darwinian and eugenic ideas, premature born children shouldn't live.
20:19 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You see, they were genetically weak.
20:21 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why they were born prematurely.
20:23 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And you may think that's crazy.
20:24 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: People didn't actually believe that.
20:25 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they?
20:25 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, they did.
20:27 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: In 1917, in the turn of the century, if you remember our episode on Woodrow Wilson, we talked a lot about eugenics, there is this idea that people who are weaker genetically should not be allowed to have children.
20:37 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: should not be allowed to, they will sterilize thousands and thousands of them.
20:43 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: They should not be allowed to reproduce in those who were born premature, should not be allowed to be saved.
20:49 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: One such person, Dr. Heiselden, made headlines when he refused to attempt to even save a baby that was born premature.
20:55 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, quote, it was a hopeless idiot, in quote, and he also said, quote, he would unhesitaneously advise that children born prematurely should be allowed to die.
21:06 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The same Dr. Heidel did when make the case not just a pre-manchurch born children, but soon he would actually make the case for child babies that were born that he believed should be allowed to die.
21:14 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: One of which was a five-month-old baby that was born with an improperly size brain.
21:18 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: His medical advice was to go ahead, stop feeding it, stop helping it until it dies.
21:23 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Another child that was two and a half years old would be born and he would actually use the phrase, use the nasa.
21:29 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was saying, quote, that he believed, it should be killed, or sorry, which he believed, a painless killing my God-given drugs relieves the old pain and takes away the horror of death for this child.
21:41 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He also believed that the benefits of morphine and treating them, quote, lives of no value, and bodies and constant pain could then be taken away.
21:50 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is terrible that something like this.
21:53 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He would think, right, that the New York Times suppressed they certainly, a man is killing is recommending from a medical doctor, a few point, killing babies, right?
22:01 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He'd hate it.
22:02 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: They almost never mentioned it.
22:04 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, when yet another baby, a quadriplegic was born, and he recommended that it die, the New York Times reported it.
22:11 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what they said, quote, another, as it were, Hezilden baby, so-called, has been permitted to die.
22:19 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_00]: that's how they describe the killing of children.
22:22 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The lacking of any kind of medical care for children because genetically they're weaker, genetically they are no good for society.
22:29 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not fit for the species as Charles Darwin would describe this kind of stuff.
22:34 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is the exact kind of stuff that would lead to the Holocaust, would lead to Hitler's own eugenics programs, the kind of stuff that was popular and popularized by a Woodrow Wilson at the time.
22:44 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the
22:45 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The history of Christians versus eugenics.
22:47 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We've had multiple episodes on it.
22:49 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Go to our post millennial, which we'll send part 1 and 2, and go to our episode on eugenics where we interviewed Joel Berry of the Babylon B. excellent episode on that.
22:58 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to see Christians standing up to one of the worst evils that for the most part, he may have any seems to have forgotten.
23:04 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, in case you think you saw the New York Times I'm getting on to, the Chicago Daily Tribune wrote, Eliza Johnson, the five-year-old girl who would be better off dead because her mental growth stopped when she was but a few months old is now better off.
23:16 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You see what they do?
23:17 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, in both the Heizelton baby and this other one, they kind of, they're kind of euphemizing.
23:21 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Notice they're kind of changing the language.
23:23 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I, instead of saying this five-year-old girl because she had mental difficulties was murdered, they say she's better off.
23:30 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And careful, right?
23:31 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The Heizelden baby, instead of saying he was murdered, it's been permitted to die.
23:36 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You notice the difference in the language they're doing?
23:38 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, before you say, okay, these are a few random articles.
23:41 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: This Dr. Heizelden is not just a few random articles, and 1917, a movie premiered Featuring.
23:48 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, character based on Dr. Haiselden, doing the right thing in a silent movie.
23:53 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, all movies are silent pretty much back then, but let me tell you this movie.
23:56 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I never heard of it.
23:57 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's called The Black Stork.
23:58 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't recommend it.
23:59 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's about a doctor is handed a genetically defective baby.
24:03 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's supposed to...
24:04 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Save it's life, but he tells you we put the baby on a table.
24:07 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He looks at the nurse and goes, I won't do it.
24:09 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And he leaves.
24:10 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, some other doctors saved the life of this baby.
24:13 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And when this baby grows up, this baby comes back and kills all the doctors or tries to kill all the doctors who saved his life because he was then forced to live a life of misery and effectiveness.
24:24 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And that only doctor who was a hero was this doctor.
24:28 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: then it turns out this was all a dream and then there's a sequence at some point in the movie where the baby it was not on the table dies and goes to meet Jesus but then that's also a dream and the woman it's all being had by a woman in this movie who then looks at her her husband or her boyfriend and goes wait we should go check with our doctors and make sure we are genetically okay to have children before we end up in a situation like that.
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Now even
24:50 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: What a what a bizarre movie very obviously propaganda and yet this movie was played in theaters four years One newspaper carrying the message of the headlight advertised the movie as quote killed effective say the nation and see the blackstork now you may think now I hear this as a joke like this was an insult Like killer defectives this was not one news paper was genuinely saying this is a good movie Go see it and you'll want to save the night save the country by killing defective children
25:17 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, when Dr. Heisler died, he died in Cuba, Havana, and he, not long before he died, he basically said, hey, some people criticize me, but I and my friends who support me who will come out to support me all the way to the end, and he believed that when he eventually died, the criticism would go away, and he would be remembered as a hero.
25:35 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: However,
25:36 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Other people said, I don't think so, Dr. Isle, then you'll be remembered as a murder.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But there was a third option, that most people didn't know.
25:42 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was, he wouldn't be remembered really at all.
25:46 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: The New York Times, when he died, basically published an article, talking about his life and completely ignored everything about the eugenic killing of children all together.
25:54 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_00]: All his child killing was just completely locked off, left without you ever knowing about it.
26:01 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, at the same time as all this is happening, we had the incubator babies, right?
26:05 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Babies in the hatchery.
26:06 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: What was the press saying about them?
26:07 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the press was criticizing these incubators.
26:10 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: How dare they?
26:11 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: How dare a good science be associated with the bearded woman they said?
26:15 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And how could you do this treating children like a spectacle like this?
26:19 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: If it's really good science, it should be done by scientists and lab coats, right?
26:22 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Doctors who can be trusted in hospitals.
26:25 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, the doctors in hospitals are currently recommending
26:29 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_00]: This man and Coney Island, who set up an incubator room, had a different plan, tried to save the children.
26:35 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much every child he put in the incubators lived, it was a life-saving treatment.
26:40 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Now why did he charge you to go see these children?
26:43 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He actually had a very noble purpose, and the journalists had maybe spent a minute talking to him, instead of fawning over Dr. Heiselden, they might have learned that the reality was very different.
26:53 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The man supporting these children did not want the parents to have to pay for an a medical care, but it costs about $15 to run each of these incubators.
27:01 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, this was the days of $15 being a lot of money, not today.
27:05 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, for $15, he would have to run the incubating machine.
27:09 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, to do that, he needed people to pay.
27:11 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you came in and gave a quarter, you could see the cute babies, little babies.
27:14 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: inside the incubators and you could help support these babies getting the life saving care they needed without the parents having to pay any money and by doing so you saved these children's lives.
27:27 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were getting criticized by the press for making a spectacle and entertainment of saving children's lives with a type of operation the incubator that the currently most doctors were refusing to use because of premature babies were not seen as genetically up to snuff.
27:43 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
27:44 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The acrobatics that these newspapers can do while on the one hand they can praise a man for killing or permitting children to die, and on the other hand they can criticize a man for saving children's lives because he didn't do it in the proper method.
27:56 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely fun ways they do it, right?
27:59 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I would prefer the baby hatchery over the strategy of a doctor-hyzedin if it were me.
28:14 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's still look at another example, an extreme scientific case, but it's worth mentioning.
28:18 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You almost can't mention bias in the media without inscience, without mentioning maybe this is the prime case of it.
28:25 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to the even star announcing the Nobel Peace Prize.
28:28 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: In December 10th, the Swedish royalty pays tributes to winners of three Nobel Prizes in Stockholm, Sweden, seven princesses and princesses of Swedish royalty rose in tribute to three commoners at the awarding of the Nobel Prize for Scientific Achievements, what amazing status.
28:44 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And here we go, Dr. Hess 68 years old, share the medical prize with Dr. Antonio Agas Manis, a Portugal for their work in the development of the prefrontal lobotomy.
28:53 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: A brain operation intended to help the mentally ill, Dr. Moniz 75 was unable to come to Stockholm itself.
28:58 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_00]: The prizes are awarded annually from a trust fund by the left, by left by the late Alfred Noble Swedish mentor of Dynamite.
29:05 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_00]: The lobotomy, one of the great, quote, scientific achievements, at least at the time.
29:11 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Many inapolis star rights of lobotomies, the brain surgeons knife cuts away a patient's worries.
29:16 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll read from the article here, a comparatively new brain operation known as prefrontal lobotomy and now being used at St. Barnabas Hospital in St. mental health institutions is releasing many patients from suffering and a disability caused by various mental disturbances.
29:30 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: One mother whose life was so dominated by the fear of dirt, she was unable to leave her own bed, has been freed of her obsession through this operation.
29:36 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_00]: After neglecting her three children her home for five years, she is again a well-adjusted and resuming her responsibilities.
29:41 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Another woman who was constantly haunted by the fear that she might be changed into a horse.
29:47 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_00]: What did the story like?
29:49 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_00]: What did she get that idea from?
29:50 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I have so many questions.
29:52 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, she's been really different anxiety since undergoing a lobotomy.
29:56 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad that she no longer believes she'll be changed into a horse.
29:59 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, what even be so bad?
30:00 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, horses run pretty fast.
30:01 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
30:02 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Separation useful and only certain types of mental disorders can be completed in about now, or in many cases, patients are a conscience during the procedure.
30:09 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: One Minneapolis neurosurgeon has performed 125 lobotomies in the past seven years, and has lost only one patient.
30:15 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Case is recommended for this type of operation, or carefully selected after lengthy study by psychiatrists.
30:19 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, until all other forms of psychiatric treatment have failed to produce the desired result as a psychiatrist, recommend a lobotomy.
30:27 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Another newspaper described is, quote, easier than curing a toothache.
30:30 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, we could continue on and on on here.
30:33 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The prefrontal lobotomy was where they would poke a one point they would describe as an ice-pick through a part of your eye right underneath the eye, in case you're not aware, they would go to the brain and they would basically cut part of the brain tissue.
30:45 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And they hope was that they would pre-cut part of the brain tissue would allow you relief from these stressful anxiety things that your brain was not working properly.
30:54 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And the best way was to relieve it through a very uncareful surgery of the brain.
31:00 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And this was used on all kinds of mental institution patients who had no choice because of course, they had no wherewithal to say yes or no to these surgeries.
31:09 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't just used on them.
31:10 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, even John F. Kennedy's sister was actually underwent one of these surgeries because she was seen as rebellious and a little bit of a wild child at the time after where she was seen as basically completely mentally incompetent.
31:22 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_00]: One person I read an interview by basically said he had a very hard time in life.
31:26 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The age of 12, he was given this because his stepmother thought he was kind of just a bit of a rebellious child and he became addicted to drugs, alcohol, and had a hard time keeping a job.
31:35 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He suffered his entire life and he said he had a hard time resenting.
31:39 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: How much of his life would have been better if he just never been given the surgery, a surgery which any doctor today would say no, don't just cut parts of the brain without knowing what you're doing.
31:48 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, let's read what the Washington Post says.
31:51 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It might seem sensible then to take away the honor, the record of the Nobel Foundation prize from him.
31:56 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The Nobel Foundation did not respond to comment, but the money's as reward would be at the top or pretty much everybody's list if you're gonna take a Nobel prize from somebody, quotes a doctor and historian from the New York University.
32:07 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm going to read this is an article from 2023 saying, well, should we take away the Nobel Peace Prize from a man who's big founding record, his work is cutting people up in a way that was horribly unsafe.
32:17 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_00]: By 1979, a bill went through passing and banning lobotomies because they absolutely were not a good way to deal with patients, just cutting people's brains, Willie Nilly was not a good way to do it, even though science for 30 years had said, this is perfectly safe.
32:33 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_00]: quote, the New York University historian of medicine says, this would open a can of worms to do so.
32:40 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You see, if you take away this person's Nobel Peace Prize, well, then you might have to start taking away other people's Nobel Peace Prizes.
32:46 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Julius Wagner Warhig, I believe I say, jarig, I'm not sure.
32:51 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Who received the 1927 prize in medicine for treating psychosis with malaria might also be struck off and who knows who else.
32:59 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait a second.
33:00 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So the Washington Post is quoting a person saying, hey, if we took away the Nobel Peace Prize for the guy who gave away lobotomies, you might also have to take away another guy who got the Nobel Peace Prize for giving patients malaria.
33:12 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think most people would agree he shouldn't have a Nobel Peace Prize right like, well, you know, if you take away the guy who stuck a knife into people's brains, willingly, you might have to take away the guy who cured psychosis through malaria.
33:26 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows who else might lose the Nobel Peace Prize?
33:29 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Steller!
33:30 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Journalism from the Washington Post here in 2023 quote quoting the guy some more this was not done in a malevolent way the procedure was quote for people And crowded depressing institutions who had no chance of getting out and the doctor is quote not think we are so different from doctors in the past who are just desperate to help their patients
33:48 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
33:49 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Once considered by many, the height of medical progress, another person said, now it ought to remind us to be humble about our limitations and what we can do.
33:57 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing, why was the lobotomy seen as the height of medical progress?
34:02 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Why did it get that reputation in the first place?
34:05 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the reason the lobotomy got the reputation was because the news media was sharing it as the height of medical progress.
34:14 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_00]: They had questioned them a little bit harder and said things like, hey, don't stick a knife in people's brains.
34:18 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Just like they said a little earlier, hey Dr. Heisel, then don't murder children.
34:22 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe these wouldn't have been seen as scientific achievements.
34:25 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Just like when we in our own day heard them say, hey, the lab leak is a complete mystery, but maybe it's not, right?
34:31 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's the news media?
34:33 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's to consider the height of medical achievement.
34:35 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: We might have to question other people's Nobel Peace Prizes.
34:37 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
34:38 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't understand where the reporters are.
34:40 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Why aren't they questioning science more heavily?
34:44 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They let science get away with everything.
34:45 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And this just hurts.
34:47 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we often talk about woke people don't have trust in the medical establishment today.
34:50 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe they never should have a trust in the medical establishment.
34:53 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Considering the medical establishment of yesterday was promoting lobotomies.
34:57 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the wears before that was promoting malaria.
34:59 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And the years before that was promoting children should die.
35:01 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We should, we should question,
35:03 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of what scientists and medical doctors do.
35:07 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Not because we don't believe medicine has ever saved lives, but because it seems like the history shows medicine sometimes saves lives and sometimes does not.
35:17 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would even argue, I don't know how many of our listeners are doctors or nurses that you would probably agree if you're a doctor and a nurse if your goal is ultimately to save lives and help people.
35:25 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_00]: then you probably also agree that doctors and nurses have made mistakes and the reporters are the people who are supposed to be investigating and learning those mistakes so that they can correct them before it becomes widespread.
35:37 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_00]: What if the investigative journalists instead of promoting the lobotomies as quote the height of medical progress had done more questions and digging and more work.
35:46 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not so many people would have gotten lobotomies and maybe people wouldn't have been miserable for their entire lifetime.
35:52 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_00]: and made medically incompetent.
35:54 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe children wouldn't have died if more people pushed back on Dr. Heizelden and less pushing back on the baby hatchery.
36:02 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, okay, you might be listening to this episode and go, okay, I get it.
36:05 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the news gets science wrong sometimes.
36:08 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I hear you.
36:09 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But what I mean, but everywhere else it's safe isn't it?
36:11 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, is it, let's look at international events.
36:14 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We just talked about the China one where you cannot tell a lighter day, which one's correct?
36:18 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is China booming or is China struggling?
36:21 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The New York Times is saying from both sides of its mouth, yes, and I don't know which one to trust because after all,
36:27 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: They said both sides of it.
36:29 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's another one.
36:30 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's one of my favorite articles to use.
36:32 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Twelve days before Hitler invades Portland.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_00]: If you got Hitler, you can, you know, okay.
36:37 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: New York Times article.
36:38 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to write it.
36:38 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, he'd already invaded Czechoslovakia.
36:40 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He'd already invaded the Rhineland.
36:42 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's clear Germany's building up its forces.
36:45 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What is the New York Times going to say about Hitler?
36:47 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Twelve days before Poland.
36:49 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Can they shape?
36:50 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Opinion.
36:50 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Can they help stop Hitler from going to war?
36:53 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: What what can they do?
36:54 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a quick look here and see what it is they say after all.
36:57 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_00]: This is very important.
36:58 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_00]: This is this maybe the New York Times warns the people at home about Hitler.
37:03 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe American people in the world at large can be ready.
37:07 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at it.
37:08 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_00]: New York Times article, Hair Hitler at home in the clouds.
37:11 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_00]: High up in his favorite mountain.
37:13 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He finds times for politics, solitude, and frequent official parties.
37:18 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Unic Brock me.
37:19 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
37:19 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, Brett Brock.
37:21 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
37:21 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.
37:22 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm broke.
37:22 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Take his dogs and something and we're Hitler's spent most of a summer is the home of his own choice when he was still editor of this paper.
37:30 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Long time ago, he would spend many a mountain days there.
37:33 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Ordinary life at the burgoth centers around the man centers around the man who claims to be a visionary with the imperviousness to the commonplace rules of everyday routine yet it has a setting which contains all the elements of exacting bureaucracy and secret police efficiency the house furnished harmoniously according to the best of German traditions and it's not exactly hard hitting journalism here
37:56 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to the parts where they call out some of his invasions or his build-up.
37:59 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, here we go.
38:00 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The fear does not always take his meals in company.
38:03 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_00]: His breakfast, which he rarely has before nine, is frequently served in a small breakfast room.
38:07 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're seeing the, well, that's not okay.
38:09 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what does he have for breakfast, so when he hit well, he comes down and he usually enjoys oatmeal.
38:15 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
38:16 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Hard hitting.
38:17 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... uh... he likes to go on walks vigorously has a habit of of got climbing uh... in the area moving out a little bit of all so nice to stop and talk to the local people or who are mowing their grass in the burgoth area he has a system said will come and bring them the news okay now we go discussions of the day's government business in numerous private requests and conditions from widows and orphans and party martyrs and veterans of the Nazi movement will then be attended to oh
38:43 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's helping the orphans, okay?
38:44 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The peels are lifted and listened to while he takes his the business of the morning, he's usually settled within an hour or two.
38:50 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So when Hitler's in his private shoelays, often taking walks, eating oatmeal and helping orphans.
38:57 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Lunch is a leisurely meal, it is served by smart, white, uniform butlers and those at the house party who conform to their host habit of eating vegetarianism and they find it no hardship at all.
39:07 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you.
39:08 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, New York Times.
39:09 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the average person, 12 days before the invasion of Poland, wondering about Hitler or wondering, were Hitler's butlers struggling with lacking eating meat in these heart-hitting journalists found out that they enjoyed the vegetarianism, was not a trouble at all.
39:24 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And goodness, they were doing that.
39:25 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Does this article talk about anything?
39:27 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's scroll down here and let's see.
39:29 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
39:31 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here we go.
39:32 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_00]: A recently built team of villain on the crest of it, no, that's probably not important.
39:36 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So, nice he would nap or not nap, the fear in his guess would have to amuse themselves.
39:40 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's, Hitler frequently had tea up on the, mm.
39:44 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, but also got here.
39:46 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_00]: All sometimes children would come by and he would waived to them again, not dinner is served at 8 p.m. As you can see, the New York Times, 12 days before the invasion of Poland, was not exactly hitting us with hard hitting journalism, at least the type we would have.
40:01 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Just one example, a person about a 10-day years ago released a book showing you all of the kind of news press Hitler is getting and it wasn't that people were saying, hey, he should invade Poland and it wasn't that necessarily people were saying he shouldn't invade Poland, they weren't talking about these things at all.
40:16 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Hitler's policies, at this point, by the way, he's already suppressing the Jews.
40:20 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He's already suppressing and taking over Christian churches.
40:23 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He's already begun invading different countries.
40:25 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, if you were reading the New York Times or many newspapers of the day, what you would be seeing are pictures of Hitler walking with children.
40:33 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Or pictures of Hitler feeding deer.
40:35 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Or pictures of Hitler hanging out with his family.
40:38 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It was very much.
40:40 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_00]: If you had no idea.
40:42 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If you only read the newspapers of the day, you would have been shocked when suddenly America's at war with Germany, a suddenly Hitler became a dictator because up until that point, you had been treated to nothing but a festival of papers saying Hitler's just a nice gentleman running a nice place.
40:57 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And you would have had no idea that Hitler was doing the terrible things he was.
41:01 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: What a whiplash, right?
41:02 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Almost like an article saying China's on the economic, you know, the triumph and then suddenly China's economically in a downturn.
41:10 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Almost like when lobotomies were good, then they're bad.
41:13 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Almost like this is a very common thing the media has been doing for a very long time.
41:17 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_00]: During the same era, the Soviet Union was starving its own people.
41:22 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They were putting the squeeze on Ukrainians that had not wanted to collect devised and were basically starving them out of existence.
41:27 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the reporters at the time, a man named Garrett Jones, went to Ukraine and here's a quote from his diary that he would publish later on.
41:34 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I walked along the villages in Quilette of Farms, everywhere it was the cry, there is no bread we are dying.
41:39 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_00]: This cry came from every part of Russia, from the Volta, Siberia, White Russia, the North Caucasus, Central Asia.
41:45 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I tramped through the Black Earth region because that was once the richest farmland in Russia, and because the correspondence had been forbidden to go there to see what was happening.
41:51 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I stayed overnight in the village where there used to be 200 oxen, but now they had only 6.
41:55 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The peasants were eating the cattle, and only had a month's supply left.
41:58 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They told me that many had already died of hunger.
42:00 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Two soldiers came to arrest a thief.
42:02 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They warned me against traveling at night because there were too many starving, desperate men.
42:08 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That means if he's not careful at night traveling, they'll eat him.
42:11 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we are waiting for death was what I was told everywhere, but see, we still have the food that we give our cattle.
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll eat that for another month.
42:18 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If you go further south, they don't even have that.
42:21 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Many houses of people were empty.
42:22 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone had already died, they cried.
42:25 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that is what is being reported by Garrett Jones is happening in the Soviet Union.
42:29 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_00]: During this time, it's well known now that this was absolutely true.
42:32 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, when the Soviet Union fell research, discovered that the Soviet Union is starved, millions upon millions of their own people in Ukraine, which today,
42:40 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: it's considered the breadbasket of Europe.
42:41 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually one of these parts of Europe are actually where Europe gets a lot of its bread and food, but during that time they were being starved out.
42:48 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_00]: However, Walter Durante, working for the New York Times, attacked he attacked Garrett Jones and he said,
42:55 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Russians are hungry, but they're not starving.
42:56 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_00]: In quoting heat, this is him responding to this article by Garrett Jones.
43:00 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He says, deaths from diseases due to malnutrition are high.
43:03 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yet the Soviet is entrenched.
43:05 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Larger cities have food, Ukraine, North Caucasus, and lower vulgar regions.
43:08 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Suffer from shortages, Kremlin's doomed denied, though.
43:11 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Russian and foreign observers in countries see no ground for this discussion of disaster.
43:16 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Son himself would write a later praise to Randy for his own reporting saying you've done a good job in your reporting to the USSR though You're not a Marxist you tell the truth about our country I may say that you bet on our horse to win when others thought it had no chance and I am sure you have not lost through your bet
43:31 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Duranty once called Stalin himself, the greatest living statesman, and because of Duranty's hard work, he was given a Pulitzer Prize as a premier correspondent, whereas Garrett Jones, who was not a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter, was ignored.
43:44 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, history showed Garrett Jones was correct, whereas Walter Duranty,
43:49 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_00]: was not, and was just a sick of fat working for the Soviet Union.
43:53 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Quote, in 1933, during the worst of it, Durante reported that village markets were overflowing with eggsfruit, poultry, vegetables, milk, and butter.
44:00 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_00]: A child can see this is no abandonment, famine, but in fact it's an abundance.
44:04 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_00]: One child who saw things, Anatolia, Kolomayets, at the time she was only five, and she said my grandparents stayed on the farm and died of starvation.
44:12 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Two uncles died in prison.
44:13 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Children in the uncles and the boy in the girl five and six came to live with us.
44:16 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: One day my cousins went out looking for food and we never saw them again.
44:19 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_00]: My mother heard they had been killed and eaten.
44:21 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Now Durante never had his poll at surprise taken from him for his great journalism and reporting work.
44:28 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: This actually came from a paper in my wife did she did a whole paper it was 50 pages long I mean it's a thesis paper project on how in at least if you listen to my just missionaries you know she's very good at researching getting in those details and she talked about turkey and how the reporters didn't talk didn't
44:42 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: cover what happened in Turkey.
44:43 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't cover what happened in Rwanda.
44:45 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't cover what happened in Cambodia.
44:47 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: They just don't cover what's happening in the world usually when it's actually happening.
44:52 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: They tend to work with the state media themselves.
44:55 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And Durante is just one of many examples where the newspapers and the New York Times would rather talk about Hitler's oatmeal eating than the fact that the Soviet Union started.
45:04 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And if people had known that people in the Soviet Union were starving, maybe they would have given food to help.
45:09 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: If people had known the Soviet Union people were starving, maybe they wouldn't have been so friendly to communism in other places.
45:14 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But because they didn't know, they turned a blind eye.
45:17 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have that kind of stuff happening around the world today.
45:20 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: There are many tragedies and disasters happening around the world today, but the people don't know about them because the news media.
45:26 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_00]: isn't reporting it.
45:28 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And I actually think that might be one of the great lessons of if we're going to take a break now after looking at all these historical examples that I've shown you and say, okay, so what do Christians do?
45:36 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_00]: What do we need to learn from this?
45:38 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say the first one is the news media often just doesn't talk about the real stuff that's actually happening in the world.
45:47 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Hitler, well, I'm not going to talk about his invasions.
45:49 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about his oatmeal.
45:51 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So, if you need starving people, let's just ignore it.
45:53 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Or say the opposite of truth, lobotomies bad?
45:56 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: No, the greatest of scientific achievements.
45:58 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Or, Dr. Heizelden killing people?
46:00 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just leave it out of his obituaries completely.
46:03 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You see, oftentimes, the journalist just don't report at all on what's happening.
46:07 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Or when they do, it's not uncommon for them to lie.
46:10 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Journalists are humans.
46:11 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Scientists are humans.
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Doctors are humans.
46:14 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Bible is very clear, every man sends.
46:17 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that doesn't mean everything a doctor, a scientist, or a journalist says is true.
46:21 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But it also certainly doesn't make everything they say true, either.
46:24 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_00]: if all people have sinned, that includes our scientists, doctors, and journalists.
46:28 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know, I just, and you maybe know these people too, there are a lot of people who just have an unfounded, unhistorical, just natural trust.
46:37 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_00]: of these certain establishments and institutions in our world.
46:41 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, maybe it's just a study of history.
46:44 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't, I don't have that natural trust when a doctor or a scientist or a journalist says something, I go, that might be true, and my not be true.
46:53 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We need to do more, we need to research ourselves and look into it because they often aren't telling the truth.
46:58 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So what I would say for Christians today is, look, don't just trust
47:01 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_00]: somebody who has a badge or has an elite degree or has an academic achievement next to them that they're always telling the truth well he's a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist so was Walter Durante well he won the Nobel Peace Prize well yes but we all know what the can of worms there is right I don't automatically assume just because somebody has achievements from this world that they have done something great
47:22 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: there's an old famous story of I believe it's the the professor the president sorry I've dialic theological seminary I'm not sure though there's no quote with seminary it was but he was going down the road or something in this girl meets him and hands him like a hand some hands a man a track a Bible track hey you should learn the gospel
47:39 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, you know, you know, would you like to know what Jesus is?
47:42 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And this kind of the professor guy present guy goes, I don't know who I am in the present of the seminary, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
48:00 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_00]: especially than you treat the poor.
48:02 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe don't treat somebody with academic achievements and all these awards as if they are automatically better than the people around you.
48:10 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Because oftentimes those people with academic awards are the people who are first fooled by the things of this world.
48:16 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were a reader of the New York Times, you'd be going at the end of five years.
48:20 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, really was a lab leak.
48:21 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea.
48:22 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas so many common people who live their lives when around going, yeah, we've been saying that the whole time, right?
48:29 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't to say that the academics are always wrong, but it's also an important to note that they're not right, either.
48:35 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_00]: How about we do what James too says?
48:37 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We treat the rich and the rich and the poor and the poor.
48:39 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We treat them as equal in the church.
48:41 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We treat them without the accolades of this world.
48:44 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And instead we just interact with the arguments and discussions as if
48:48 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter who they're coming from, but instead we deal with them on the merits of the case.
48:53 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: When journalists are correct, we praise them and say this is good journalism, good work guys.
48:57 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And when they're wrong, we say, oh, this was bad journalism.
49:00 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And when we're not sure, we say, is this actually true?
49:03 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's ask basic questions.
49:05 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_00]: What are the sources?
49:06 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And what do they say?
49:07 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And does this align with everything else I'm learning about this movement?
49:10 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Am I gathering my information from the world?
49:13 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But also,
49:14 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's another important point, how much should we even pay attention to what the news says at all?
49:19 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_00]: There's actually a story in the Gospel, I think it's overlooked a lot.
49:23 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I could be wrong in my reading of this story from the Gospel, so I do apologize if this is seen as complete the Ice of Jetticle.
49:30 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But let me read it to you, because I've always interpreted it as kind of the news of the day.
49:35 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Luke 13.
49:37 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, on the same occasion, there was some present who reported to him, Jesus said this, about the Galileeans who's blood piloted mixed with their sacrifices.
49:45 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And Jesus said to them, do you suppose that these Galileeans were greater sinners than all the other Galileeans because they suffered this fate?
49:51 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I tell you, no.
49:52 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
49:54 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Or do you suppose that those 18 on whom the tower in Salome fell, and killed them, were worse than them in who live in Jerusalem?
50:00 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I tell you, no.
50:01 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
50:04 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So clearly, to me, in this moment, the news of the day is, oh, did you hear pilot sacrifice, you know, these galleons are, this tower fell on these people and killed them, and they're arguing back and forth and notice that Jesus cuts to them out harder than America's.
50:17 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that they are worse people than other people?
50:21 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And boys in that true, when the news hits on almost any article, it's almost immediately, who's fault is this bad thing?
50:26 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_00]: What did they do wrong?
50:28 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_00]: What is going on here?
50:30 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: right and it doesn't matter what it doesn't even matter if it's a gossip rag right if it's if it's a so-and-so breaks up with someone so-and-so who's really in a fault what it hears she do right or if it sees big news it's always somewhat we're always looking for the guilty party we always want to and then people get into the arguments all over the internet over this person was the back I know this person was the back guy right
50:49 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And Jesus cuts past all of that.
50:51 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that's Galilean's or more guilty?
50:53 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're just as guilty if you don't repent.
50:55 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the people that the tower fell on were worse people than you?
50:59 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_00]: No, if you don't repent, you're actually worse.
51:02 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And you all like wise.
51:04 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Parish.
51:05 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You see, Jesus cuts to the heart of this kind of world we live in, where we are always focused on the news and focused on what's happening in far away, and he goes, it's so easy.
51:14 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It is, it is so easy for us to focus on the news and the articles and the headlines that we can get distracted.
51:20 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: from what actually matters most.
51:22 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we love Jesus?
51:23 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we repent?
51:24 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Guess what?
51:25 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That accident, that horrible disaster over there, it doesn't affect you as much as ever that whether you know Jesus Christ.
51:31 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, those bad things that happened to those people?
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's bad.
51:34 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're one of those people, it affects you, but guess what, if you haven't repented, you don't know Jesus Christ.
51:38 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It also doesn't matter in the long run to you.
51:43 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Jesus does such a good job of just kind of cutting past all those headlines and getting to the truth of the matter.
51:48 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a relationship have you repented of your sins?
51:51 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we're all going to die, whether the tower falls on us, whether our blood is mixed, whether it's the starvation of my Soviet Union, whether this world lies about what happens to us or not.
52:03 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_00]: At the end of the day, it's about our relationship with God and do we repent or not.
52:07 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_00]: When we look at news articles and headlines, we should, I think it's not bad.
52:12 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_00]: for Christians and things very good for us to be somewhat aware of the world today.
52:16 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's no wrong, there's no sin.
52:17 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing wrong with being cynical, a little bit questioning the sources were given.
52:22 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think cynicism itself is generally good, but being very untrusting of a media that is for 100 years, proven itself to be very, very biased.
52:30 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's very, very wise, actually.
52:32 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And the analogy I would use is, if there's one card dealership in town and every time you buy a car from it, it breaks down a couple of weeks later, because they sold it to you knowing it was bad.
52:41 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_00]: How many more times are you going to keep buying a car from that dealership?
52:43 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, if it's the only dealership in town, and you need a car, well, do you have a choice?
52:49 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And the answer is you probably don't.
52:51 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_00]: The news media lies, and it's been lying for 100 years, and they're going to continue to lie, and whether it's the New York Times, or whether it's our own personal favorite pundit, at some point they're very, very likely going to get some issues and some stories wrong.
53:05 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, it's the only dealership in town.
53:08 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So what do we do?
53:09 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we continue to go to the only dealership or do we just not have a car and walk around and live completely outside of the bubble or do we get better at being canics?
53:19 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And when we go to the dealership, do we look under the hood?
53:21 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we check every part of that car?
53:22 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we learn how the car works?
53:24 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And so when it breaks down, we can fix it ourselves because we know the car is going to be broken down.
53:29 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We just have to decide can we get the best car we can from the bad dealership?
53:33 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_00]: For us, I think we need to just become better at understanding the news articles we read and acknowledging that every single one of us are sometimes going to buy the bad car or sometimes going to get tricked by the news.
53:42 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Humbly, except as a Christian, you can't know everything about everything and that sometimes even your favorite reporters or favorite pundits are going to fool you on an issue.
53:51 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Will you humbly accept that you're wrong sometimes too?
53:55 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_00]: and acknowledge that every single piece of media is being sold by the car, bad car dealership, and there's not so much we can do.
54:01 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's praise the occasional good car salesmen that works there.
54:04 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's appreciate that the car dealership sometimes gets it wrong because they genuinely didn't know the car was bad, but let's also acknowledge that the car dealership that is the news media is often times selling bad cars and knows exactly what it's doing, and so it's up to us to become better mechanics so we can spot those flaws before we buy the bad car.
54:21 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But if we do buy the bad car,
54:23 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_00]: then when the car breaks down let's do our best to fix it up and admit ah they got us again it happens that's what they've been doing for a hundred years it shouldn't surprise us.
54:32 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We have to have a car and as Christians in this world there's a little bit where we're going to have to be somewhat involved and informed in the world today.
54:39 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people who like to bury their head in the sand but COVID really did show the world that what happens in the world what the news media talks about does affect us on a personal level.
54:48 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And at the same time, I think Jesus is speaking the truth when he says, look, those bad things that happen far away, guess what?
54:56 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_00]: What really matters is your relationship with God.
54:59 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_00]: All of these news media stories are bad.
55:01 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And we can feel sad about everything that happened in them, but ultimately...
55:05 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_00]: What about you?
55:06 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you walk with God and do you walk in truth and have you repented of your sins?
55:11 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: One other area that I would be remiss not to bring up as our podcast is so into the realm of history.
55:17 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this stuff does affect us a lot in trying to do history reporting?
55:20 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_00]: at least has said that, you know, in Marta's missionaries, there have been great people that she wanted to do episodes on that she'd heard good things about, but she couldn't because the book's written about them were so praising and so over the top lofty that she couldn't do an episode on it because there's no human that could possibly be doing all those things.
55:37 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And so sometimes in history, Christians have overlauded the accomplishments.
55:41 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I'm working with an editor on the book right now and
55:44 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the people we kind of looked at, they were like, yeah, this is written in a Victorian style, or they just over praise someone, and you can't really work with that because it's too far.
55:52 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what, that is a problem.
55:53 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Meek Christians have something that's over praised are heroes.
55:55 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But oftentimes the problem we have today is not an over praising of our heroes, but a diminishing of them, just ripping them by today's standards and just completely counterpulting them.
56:05 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_00]: even in terms where Christian history isn't just secular history.
56:10 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the most famous podcasters of history is a man named Dan Carlin and we've even mentioned him on our show.
56:15 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_00]: In many ways, Joel and I would say that he helped inspire this show.
56:18 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_00]: His love of history and telling stories helped very much inspire us to want to tell history and stories as well.
56:24 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can really see it in our deep dive that there's a style probably mimicry of Dan Carlin.
56:30 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Not even intentional.
56:30 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I just I love the way he tells stories and so it came out and how I tell stories as well.
56:34 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, Dan Carlin put out on the episode on slavery and he had no problem talking about how Christians use the Bible to promote slavery in the cause of slavery.
56:45 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But then I listened to the entire episode of four-hour episode and he never once mentioned who ended slavery.
56:52 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_00]: which anyone who knows history would know, it was Christians.
56:55 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_00]: William Loverforce, John Newton, the abolitionist Christian cause and the bloody work they had to do to bring this terrible practice to an end.
57:03 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, some Christians who had the Bible promoted slavery, but is absolutely absolutely without a doubt that the people who ended slavery were also Christians looking at their Bible, but the historians have no problem mentioning the one side, the flaws of Christians, and they oftentimes don't mention the good Christians are doing as well.
57:22 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_00]: This world is full of bias and really the best answer to that bias is by getting even more knowledge and more involved.
57:30 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We have to be careful.
57:31 --> 57:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Knowledge can puff up.
57:32 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Love is charitable, but if we do it with a level of learning and a humility and acknowledging that I'm probably going to get things wrong as I go.
57:38 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Oftentimes we'll be better able to prepare it ourselves for the hardships ahead.
57:43 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be lied to in history.
57:44 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be lied to in the news and the media.
57:47 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, as Christians, we can't bury our head and the sand and have no discussions on these things.
57:52 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We're needed to.
57:53 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, many of you.
57:55 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe listening to all of this and go, yeah, I agree, I agree, but I never mentioned my beliefs on politics.
58:00 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I never mentioned my thoughts on the news.
58:02 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not worth the argument.
58:03 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's wrong as well.
58:05 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Being cowards is not a good thing.
58:07 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sometimes you're wrong, and yes, sometimes the arguments get heated.
58:10 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you have a particularly situation where that person can't be spoken with.
58:13 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think a lot of us need to share our Christian voices on the news of the day.
58:18 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_00]: lots of people around the world from uh... i cannot tell you any times i'm getting together with people from europe or something what they want to talk about is the news of the day and often times it's news in america i don't know why they're so interested in our news but they are and so if you don't share your christian perspective your christian values your thoughts
58:34 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_00]: into the conversation.
58:35 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine the news media, the scientific world, it is the Oracle world, and all these worlds will get better with Christians not sharing their voices, and not just online.
58:45 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people go, yes, I am a firebrand on Twitter or ex or Facebook or Instagram, but I'm a dev, I'm a mouse and real-life app, but you need to be also sharing, not a caustic aggressively, but share your takes and your thoughts and your views on this world.
59:04 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_00]: to do.
59:05 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_00]: These are my thoughts on the news and how Christian should interact with it.
59:07 --> 59:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know where you think I'm wrong or what I got wrong.
59:09 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you enjoyed some of these stories.
59:11 --> 59:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean as much as you could enjoy these kind of darker parts of history.
59:14 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the baby hat tree is pretty cool.
59:16 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the story you probably, I didn't know about it.
59:18 --> 59:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was pretty cool.
59:19 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, hopefully you learned some things like, for example, Hitler likes oatmeal.
59:23 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I did not know that.
59:24 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, New York Times.
59:25 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to, let me tell you, that is going to be very useful information for me.
59:29 --> 59:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you enjoyed learning some things.
59:31 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope maybe you were able to think about how do I approach the news?
59:34 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Am I falling for the two sideisms of it?
59:37 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Where sometimes we say both sides are equal and sometimes we think only our side is correct.
59:40 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Or am I getting sucked into the idea that these institutions are unfalable?
59:45 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is it the opposite?
59:45 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So cynical, I don't trust anything, so I don't even participate.
59:48 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we as Christians need to figure out the best way to do things.
59:51 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_00]: My approach has been to try to learn as much as possible, being aware that I'm probably being sold a bad car, so I'm trying to learn as much about that car as I can, because I know that the people selling it to me have sold many, many bad cars.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, I recognize I have to get around, and I have to know what's going on in this world.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_00]: There are many good discussions we Christians can speak into, and if we don't participate, then we're left out and that complete conversation.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:14 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to do that either.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But let me know what you think the best way to do it is, and I hope you enjoyed these historical examples.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Troy, and this is Revirethal.