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[00:00:37] This is Troy and Joel and you are listening to Revived Thoughts.

[00:00:48] I think this is based, this would qualify as Revived Conversation.

[00:00:51] I'm not sure what we qualify this one under but this episode is to celebrate the fact that Revived Thoughts is now officially five years old.

[00:01:02] Five years of the old Revived Thoughts podcast.

[00:01:05] I also just like it as just an excuse to hang out and talk with my friend Troy.

[00:01:10] I feel like so much of the time we're just talking about these facts from dead people in life but it's nice just to...

[00:01:18] We're talking in business. We've got all those paperwork and all those big advertising companies we gotta work through and just all the CEOs we've gotta talk to.

[00:01:27] Our people call them their people.

[00:01:29] Maybe not all those things.

[00:01:30] Yeah, yeah that's not happening at all.

[00:01:33] But you're right Joel, oftentimes when we're together it's just straightforward.

[00:01:37] Let's get these episodes recorded and do these work or it's some kind of controversial Revived Thoughts conversation where we're arguing over something and we don't know usually what the other person is gonna...

[00:01:47] We don't know ever what the other person is going to say or what opinion they're going to have before it happens.

[00:01:53] Five years Troy, how does it feel?

[00:01:56] It feels good. It feels like it hasn't been five years.

[00:01:59] To me it still feels like it's only been two or three. I don't know why that is but I definitely don't feel like it's been a full five years.

[00:02:07] When I think of Revived Thoughts I don't feel like it's that old.

[00:02:11] That's the same age as my son and in my brain they don't seem like they're the same age.

[00:02:16] I feel like Revived Thoughts still feels fresh to me.

[00:02:19] I don't know how you feel about it. Maybe for you it's been five years. Talk about fifteen but I don't know.

[00:02:23] I feel like it's been five years but I also feel like...

[00:02:26] The thought I had the other day was that I'm really surprised that we've kept it going.

[00:02:32] Because I feel like we've had a lot of life changing events.

[00:02:37] I mean, I've had two children since we started this show.

[00:02:41] You've moved to three different countries since we started this show.

[00:02:45] No, I've moved to two different countries. Come on now.

[00:02:49] Well, including America it's three countries you've moved in.

[00:02:52] Well I moved across America.

[00:02:54] When we started Revived Thoughts we started recording Revived Thoughts.

[00:02:58] I was in America but you're right.

[00:03:00] The first time we talked on the phone about it I was still in China.

[00:03:03] So I guess it depends on when you want to consider having started Revived Thoughts.

[00:03:06] And so I feel like a lot of that would shut a lot of podcasts down.

[00:03:12] To me I think it's more of...it's a testament just to the source material.

[00:03:16] It's interesting enough and it's enjoyable enough and it's worthwhile enough to do this work.

[00:03:22] Because we enjoy it.

[00:03:24] I feel like a lesser...if we started a different type of show, that type of show probably would not be running right now.

[00:03:31] But specifically Revived Thoughts, it's got staying power.

[00:03:34] That's a really good way to say it.

[00:03:36] We have had lots of ideas throughout the years Joel.

[00:03:39] We had a lesser podcast once upon a time.

[00:03:43] And you're not wrong.

[00:03:45] I do not think that any...I do not think any old idea would have worked.

[00:03:49] And we definitely, when we started Revived Thoughts, we did not know what we were starting.

[00:03:54] We had no idea that we basically almost saw this as like an audio book.

[00:03:59] Nobody's doing this.

[00:04:00] We can fill this audio book idea almost.

[00:04:02] We definitely did not foresee becoming like...I mean many experts on church history

[00:04:08] and being able to talk, I mean fairly confidently now on a lot of different subjects.

[00:04:13] We now go...even the English Civil War doesn't scare us as much as it used to.

[00:04:18] There was no way I would have known when we started this show that we would be accidentally making ourselves experts in an area

[00:04:26] that most people really need to know about but they don't actually know that much about.

[00:04:31] Like if you told me that I would have been like, no we're not.

[00:04:33] We're just like doing audio books basically.

[00:04:35] I'm going to go and despite...Troy held the fort down here last week.

[00:04:40] I was out of town on a good trip. Ecuador.

[00:04:43] Tell me about Ecuador, Joel.

[00:04:45] I am pretty sure the weather is nice there is about all I know about it.

[00:04:48] It's actually...

[00:04:49] No, it's really fascinating.

[00:04:51] It totally makes sense not to think about it but I didn't realize it until I was there.

[00:04:55] But they're on the equator right?

[00:04:57] So sorry just as a setting here.

[00:05:01] I work as a missionary videographer and so we travel a lot to different ministries around the world

[00:05:08] and make videos about it and such.

[00:05:10] So I've worked in a lot of Latin America countries over the years

[00:05:15] which I enjoy and that's a topic for a whole other thing but...

[00:05:19] Ecuador again, first time being to Ecuador.

[00:05:21] It's on the equator which means...

[00:05:24] And there are...especially the area we were in.

[00:05:27] Is it Ecuador?

[00:05:28] Is it Ecuador?

[00:05:29] Spanish for equator?

[00:05:30] Maybe that's the...that would make sense.

[00:05:36] Are you making that up for it or is that a thing?

[00:05:39] No, I thought Ecuador was named after the equator.

[00:05:42] Maybe I just made that up at one point and then I'd believe it.

[00:05:45] I mean now that you say it, it sounds kind of obvious right?

[00:05:49] Ecuador.

[00:05:51] Ecuador.

[00:05:52] I'm googling how we do our best research on this program.

[00:05:57] Live Google searches, live fact checks.

[00:06:00] It is! It is!

[00:06:01] Yes, Ecuador is in fact Spanish for equator.

[00:06:04] So all of our Spanish listeners are just...

[00:06:06] Of course it's in the equator guy.

[00:06:09] So I knew it was on the equator but I didn't fully grasp how that affected our days

[00:06:15] because it's very...

[00:06:17] Again, we're up in the mountains so it's relatively...

[00:06:22] It's not like hot.

[00:06:23] I think of the equator, I think of Africa.

[00:06:25] I think of it's the hottest part of the planet you can peak at

[00:06:28] because it gets the most consistent sun year round.

[00:06:30] I live eight degrees south of the equator and when I lived in Cambodia

[00:06:35] I lived eight degrees north of the equator and I don't...

[00:06:38] In my experience it's pretty hot.

[00:06:41] The closer you get to that bad boy, the hotter it gets.

[00:06:44] Not the case in Ecuador.

[00:06:46] It was like 65 every single day

[00:06:50] and it stays that way.

[00:06:53] Like a hot day is like 70 degrees.

[00:06:56] So we're overseas listeners.

[00:06:58] That's about 20 degrees Celsius so it's pretty pleasant comparatively.

[00:07:02] Yeah, that's like long sleeve t-shirt weather.

[00:07:07] And it stays that way year round because they don't have seasons.

[00:07:14] Like, it's the sun...

[00:07:17] They have exactly 12 hours of light, 12 hours of dark every single day

[00:07:21] and the sun rises at 6 a.m. and sets at 6 p.m. every single day

[00:07:25] and it doesn't wobble, it doesn't change because it's on the equator.

[00:07:29] So it's... I don't know.

[00:07:32] I'm so used to calculating like oh in the winter it gets dark a lot faster.

[00:07:36] I will say where I live we only have about 45 minutes difference

[00:07:40] like year long.

[00:07:42] I think the sun sets at like 6.08 one time of the year

[00:07:45] and then later on it might set at like 6.38

[00:07:47] and I'm not even sure if those are the exact numbers

[00:07:49] so I kind of understand that.

[00:07:51] But when I'm living there is not a huge amount of change

[00:07:54] in terms of the sun setting or not.

[00:07:57] It's really for where I live the main change is is it raining

[00:08:00] or is it humid or is it dry?

[00:08:02] And those are the three seasons.

[00:08:04] They do get their fair share of the rainy season

[00:08:07] slash less rainy season that they contend with

[00:08:11] but because they have a nice, lovely, mild climate

[00:08:15] they just have like the most fertile ground

[00:08:17] like I don't know.

[00:08:18] I think like literally like on the planet

[00:08:20] like they can grow anything anywhere anytime

[00:08:23] just because the soil is so rich and like the conditions

[00:08:26] there's you know like we have seasonal food in America

[00:08:29] like seasonal fruits but down there every season

[00:08:32] there is no season so you can just grow whatever you want

[00:08:35] anytime of the year and it grows great

[00:08:37] so it was really neat had a lot of great food

[00:08:40] I just thought it was fun.

[00:08:42] Again, as a videographer so I'm like I'm always crunching

[00:08:44] like numbers and sunlight and stuff like that

[00:08:46] like if we start filming here you know

[00:08:48] we'll have enough light to get us through there

[00:08:50] and they're all kind of looking at me like I'm crazy

[00:08:52] because I'm like I'm used to having to be able to look up

[00:08:55] times and stuff for sunsets and sunrises and things like that

[00:08:59] and they're like it's not rocket science

[00:09:01] it just goes down at the same time.

[00:09:04] It's so interesting though because for me

[00:09:07] I know that you've been to South Africa

[00:09:09] I know that you've been to Egypt

[00:09:10] I know that you've been to now Ecuador

[00:09:12] I don't know I think Germany and France is probably like as north

[00:09:15] as I've heard you go

[00:09:17] but I guess it's interesting to me

[00:09:19] I never thought about the fact that you would have to be constantly trying

[00:09:21] to figure out what time of day it is as you went

[00:09:23] and making sure that those times...

[00:09:25] You get real fine. We filmed really remotely north in Canada

[00:09:28] Oh yeah in Canada I forgot you went to Canada

[00:09:30] Last summer

[00:09:31] Yeah you can get you know times where you only have

[00:09:35] hours of sunlight each day you know

[00:09:38] or vice versa where it's hours of darkness

[00:09:41] it's interesting

[00:09:43] So when are you moving to Ecuador from the sounds of it

[00:09:45] I mean it sounds like you really like Ecuador

[00:09:47] You know I also... I mean don't get me wrong

[00:09:50] we my wife and I always have

[00:09:53] try to be intentional about having our hearts open

[00:09:56] you know to go wherever God would lead us

[00:09:58] and if he calls us to a country by all means

[00:10:01] we are gonna you know obey his calling

[00:10:04] but I...

[00:10:07] nothing tops America man

[00:10:10] America is a... we're always happy to come back home

[00:10:13] and live here in America

[00:10:15] every country in the world has

[00:10:17] things that it does better things that it does worse

[00:10:19] It's funny you say that so I live in Indonesia

[00:10:22] as a listener probably know it says my wife

[00:10:24] who runs Mars missionaries Elise

[00:10:26] and we love where we live

[00:10:29] we love what we get to do

[00:10:31] I feel extremely blessed to do it

[00:10:33] but if I was choosing where to live based on comfort

[00:10:36] America would be a high contender

[00:10:38] although the prices are getting pretty bad over there

[00:10:40] so that would be the best

[00:10:41] The prices are ridiculous, no joke

[00:10:43] but I mean I will say I am where I am

[00:10:45] because the Lord is in control

[00:10:48] not necessarily because I'm here

[00:10:50] because I found the most comfortable little spot in the earth

[00:10:53] I mean you've been to Indonesia too

[00:10:55] so you know some of what it's like over here

[00:10:57] but I will say as much as I love being comfortable

[00:11:00] as I wouldn't trade

[00:11:02] not being where I feel like God has me to be

[00:11:05] comfortable in that way

[00:11:07] and that is 100%

[00:11:09] although you really made Ecuador sound nice

[00:11:11] as somebody who is sweating in a hot room

[00:11:13] as I record these things

[00:11:15] those are the temptations where I'm like

[00:11:17] I could be somewhere where it's not always

[00:11:19] muggy and humid

[00:11:21] that sounds like the dream

[00:11:23] to me but hey

[00:11:25] I mean the dream in a lot of ways

[00:11:27] wonderful climate

[00:11:29] lovely wonderful cheerful friendly people

[00:11:31] I get nothing most

[00:11:33] I mean you don't have drinkable water

[00:11:35] you don't have potable water

[00:11:37] you have very intermediate

[00:11:39] power electricity

[00:11:41] relying on your probably going to have chunks

[00:11:43] of your day with no electricity

[00:11:45] but you know

[00:11:47] I don't know when you're

[00:11:49] with believers

[00:11:51] it's always a good time

[00:11:53] yeah that's true very well said

[00:11:55] well Joel I'm glad you had a great time traveling

[00:11:57] and Joel you kind of back to the point

[00:11:59] under my thoughts that you made a little earlier

[00:12:01] it is amazing that our podcast has survived

[00:12:03] the number of travels

[00:12:05] and things I mean I think of that year in Cambodia

[00:12:07] where we were recording into

[00:12:09] a wardrobe and I was having

[00:12:11] technical problems like

[00:12:13] crazy

[00:12:15] and you would just patiently sit there

[00:12:17] and probably play games on your phone or something

[00:12:19] waiting for me to come back because you knew

[00:12:21] eventually I'd probably come back but still

[00:12:23] I that year alone and the fact that

[00:12:25] this podcast survived that year is crazy

[00:12:27] I mean now things are fairly

[00:12:29] stable we do still have problems but it's fairly

[00:12:31] stable compared to that year

[00:12:33] that's true that's true yeah I wonder

[00:12:35] how many other podcasts

[00:12:37] there's got to be other podcasts out there

[00:12:39] but we might be on some leader board

[00:12:41] for podcasts to be recorded

[00:12:43] with co-hosts in

[00:12:45] however many various countries

[00:12:47] I will say I mean

[00:12:49] as I keep a pretty good tab

[00:12:51] on other Christian podcasts

[00:12:53] just something I do based on our you know

[00:12:55] Twitter presence and stuff like that

[00:12:57] I cannot think of any others where

[00:12:59] there especially where it's

[00:13:01] third world like I can think of one other podcast

[00:13:03] where one host was an American one was Britain

[00:13:05] and they were like you know kind of a

[00:13:07] kind of cutesy America

[00:13:09] Britain take but we're definitely the only ones where

[00:13:11] it's like I'm literally on a 12 hour difference

[00:13:13] from you right now and we have to record my night

[00:13:15] is your day your day is my night I cannot

[00:13:17] think of any other shows that's doing

[00:13:19] that and you know what Joe

[00:13:21] I can say this I don't think if we didn't

[00:13:23] know each other before we started the show I don't think we could

[00:13:25] have done it I think it's purely like you and I

[00:13:27] have known each other I can even I have no

[00:13:29] idea how many years at this point but it's been a while

[00:13:31] well let's do the math

[00:13:33] that's what 13 years

[00:13:35] yeah a shot just shy of 13 years

[00:13:37] and so I don't think that if

[00:13:39] we didn't have that long history of friendship

[00:13:41] and time together that we would have been able to pull

[00:13:43] this off at all either I think that

[00:13:45] now having known each other long before there was

[00:13:47] a revived thoughts really helped us

[00:13:49] like not have to get too stressed out

[00:13:51] you know me and so when I send you

[00:13:53] scripts really late when I should have sent them

[00:13:55] to you on time you weren't like surprised

[00:13:57] that I did that you were like that's what

[00:13:59] I would expect from Troy did but that's true

[00:14:01] last minute

[00:14:03] yeah our dynamic has

[00:14:05] suited the longevity well

[00:14:07] alright Jill so that was actually going to be my

[00:14:09] one of my so I had this idea as I was putting

[00:14:11] these thoughts together just like some questions

[00:14:13] for us to kind of explore and one of my

[00:14:15] questions for you was Jill what is

[00:14:17] what is one of the most frustrating things

[00:14:19] I've ever thrown at you and these five

[00:14:21] years of recording this show because I'm sure

[00:14:23] there have been moments where you were like Troy

[00:14:25] what in the world was that

[00:14:27] so what do you mean by

[00:14:29] like what's an example what do you mean by

[00:14:31] the most frustrating thing? I don't know either

[00:14:33] you could go with like an idea I had that was like

[00:14:35] why were we doing this like when I almost

[00:14:37] started a book club and I still think

[00:14:39] people wrote us in and said we should get

[00:14:41] that book club going I'm just saying

[00:14:43] or it could be the most frustrating

[00:14:45] like I sent you the most last minute thing

[00:14:47] possible or something like that but I'm sure

[00:14:49] something where you were like this was a moment where Troy

[00:14:51] you were like that was really annoying

[00:14:53] last minute so I don't know

[00:14:55] I guess this is a nitpick more about

[00:14:57] your ambition which I don't

[00:14:59] know if is a fair

[00:15:01] I don't know nitpick

[00:15:03] for our listeners

[00:15:05] and maybe you guys picked up on this one

[00:15:07] of Troy's greatest attributes and greatest

[00:15:09] characteristics is he

[00:15:11] is very

[00:15:13] self-motivated and very passionate

[00:15:15] and very driven but it also thinks

[00:15:17] very big in ways that

[00:15:19] maybe

[00:15:21] aren't

[00:15:23] sustainable

[00:15:25] with certain things. That's a nice way to put that

[00:15:27] yeah, yeah and this is something I've always

[00:15:29] known about Troy and something that

[00:15:31] has always

[00:15:33] come up in most of the creative

[00:15:35] endeavors that we've worked on

[00:15:37] I feel like I'm often times the more

[00:15:39] level-grounded

[00:15:41] realistic person

[00:15:43] and he's the one that always thinks big

[00:15:45] and takes these big

[00:15:47] chances and

[00:15:49] gets all risky

[00:15:51] and I feel like it does make a good

[00:15:53] combo for

[00:15:55] us you know like it's a good duo because I feel like

[00:15:57] you need a little bit of balance in that but

[00:15:59] I feel like there was that moment like around

[00:16:01] year two or three where

[00:16:03] you were just wanting

[00:16:05] to like expand everything

[00:16:07] and I was like Troy I think we're getting

[00:16:09] stretched out. I like where we're at currently

[00:16:11] you know we got Mars missionaries, we got revive

[00:16:13] thoughts and we're able to put our thoughts and energy

[00:16:15] into those shows. That's true.

[00:16:17] We did have a show called Revive Radio

[00:16:19] which is great and it has

[00:16:21] I mean it only had like what

[00:16:23] six episodes?

[00:16:25] No it was almost 20 and Elise ran it

[00:16:27] and to be honest and to be honest

[00:16:29] if there's a show that I would bring back

[00:16:31] If there's just us coming back it's Revive Radio

[00:16:33] yeah. Revived Radio it was

[00:16:35] it was such a good idea it was such a good pairing

[00:16:37] with Revive Thoughts and people loved it

[00:16:39] but Elise has

[00:16:41] we have so much good feedback on Revive Radio

[00:16:43] but Elise had the dream of doing

[00:16:45] Martyrs and Missionaries and

[00:16:47] didn't want to do could not do both

[00:16:49] and she really wanted and Martyrs and Missionaries

[00:16:51] has obviously done very very it's been

[00:16:53] explosive and great and so I'm really

[00:16:55] glad she did it but there but I still will

[00:16:57] look at the occasional email like hey I finished Revive Radio

[00:16:59] once the next episode coming out and I'm like I

[00:17:01] wish I could bring it back I loved Revive Radio.

[00:17:03] Yeah. Revive Radio was

[00:17:05] right for those who don't know this show

[00:17:07] because I mean we have many people who never even

[00:17:09] had no idea that this podcast existed

[00:17:11] three years ago. It was Revive Thoughts

[00:17:13] but it was old radio sermons

[00:17:15] so Leonard Ravenhill

[00:17:17] and like people who would have lived in like the 1920s

[00:17:19] 30s 40s 50s 60s who

[00:17:21] you would have listened to them you know on a

[00:17:23] radio crackly static

[00:17:25] thing and they would have had these great sermons

[00:17:27] and it wouldn't have been Revive Thoughts

[00:17:29] because we couldn't edit them we didn't have to get speakers

[00:17:31] but you would have just been able to listen

[00:17:33] to these old timey preachers and

[00:17:35] I loved them they were they were great every sermon

[00:17:37] I listened to from that time I thought man

[00:17:39] these are so good

[00:17:41] and definitely I definitely

[00:17:43] would consider bringing it back in some

[00:17:45] future form if possible

[00:17:47] not currently on the table

[00:17:49] but Joel is right I can be pretty ambitious

[00:17:51] and I bring it back anyway. It's

[00:17:53] in the Disney fold. It's back there somewhere

[00:17:55] we might bring it out again one day

[00:17:57] we'd love to bring it out one day

[00:17:59] but you know at the moment

[00:18:01] currently no plans to but

[00:18:03] it's a possibility

[00:18:05] in the future and then we had

[00:18:07] a like a daily devotion Revive

[00:18:09] Divos which had a great run in and of itself

[00:18:11] before it was well

[00:18:13] it was about two and a half to three

[00:18:15] years before that one went down and it was

[00:18:17] our first expansion show

[00:18:19] where we just we took one little portion

[00:18:21] from different speakers Jonathan Edwards

[00:18:23] John Calvin

[00:18:25] Martin Luther

[00:18:27] I just lots of different Andrew Murray

[00:18:29] Watchmen it was a very diverse group

[00:18:31] of people that were pulling from but

[00:18:33] that was kind of the point was like to get you out of your

[00:18:35] normal day-to-day people and let

[00:18:37] you hear from people maybe you weren't used to

[00:18:39] just a little bite-sized piece of

[00:18:41] their life and then we had one friend of ours

[00:18:43] read each of those who

[00:18:45] he did a great job he had a wonderful voice for it

[00:18:47] and I was the one

[00:18:49] eventually this was like I cannot edit

[00:18:51] all of these devotionals every single

[00:18:53] because you're too ambitious because

[00:18:55] you went off for a while

[00:18:57] I've been working for almost two years

[00:18:59] it didn't that's the thing like like when

[00:19:01] you come up with these ideas they're feasible

[00:19:03] in the moment but they're not

[00:19:05] necessarily feasible long term

[00:19:07] I'll say this though

[00:19:09] how many people can even keep a podcast going for two years

[00:19:11] yeah yeah the devotion and it went out

[00:19:13] for that long so I'll take that as a

[00:19:15] score yeah like I said like I think

[00:19:17] it's I think it's

[00:19:19] your ambition that is largely

[00:19:21] the reason why we're

[00:19:23] still we're still yeah you know

[00:19:25] clunking along but

[00:19:27] if there's one thing to answer

[00:19:29] your initial question that annoys me sometimes

[00:19:31] it's

[00:19:33] it's when you

[00:19:35] are

[00:19:37] pushing a lot of things that I think

[00:19:39] are more than we should be

[00:19:41] focusing on at the moment

[00:19:43] super true super true but I feel like

[00:19:45] we've gotten into a good groove recently

[00:19:47] I mean I still do have to

[00:19:49] you know daily reply

[00:19:51] to your emails for a revive

[00:19:53] thoughts live show and revive

[00:19:55] thoughts book and revive

[00:19:57] thoughts yes spin-off show

[00:19:59] you know those do still come

[00:20:01] daily and I still do have to

[00:20:03] and I'm just kidding

[00:20:05] we need all of them and the church

[00:20:07] history conference people are now emailing us

[00:20:09] when is the Revive Thoughts History Conference

[00:20:11] and I'm like we gotta make it happen dude

[00:20:13] this has gotta be a thing we've gotta do it

[00:20:15] and we're gonna charge $300 a ticket

[00:20:17] no I'm just kidding

[00:20:19] what about me Troy

[00:20:21] since we're being honest on the table

[00:20:23] what's an annoyance

[00:20:25] actually I did not even think

[00:20:27] about that question I just assume

[00:20:29] I'm annoying I don't I'm not surprised

[00:20:31] yeah I mean

[00:20:33] okay annoying things

[00:20:35] that Joel can do is it that

[00:20:41] I don't too chill I just

[00:20:43] I go there honestly maybe

[00:20:45] that's it maybe it's like the reverse

[00:20:47] for me like I because I'm ambitious

[00:20:49] and I want to do everything maybe

[00:20:51] sometimes the fact that like I

[00:20:53] you know I'm not able to do everything

[00:20:55] yeah that's what it is that's all I'll

[00:20:57] go with that one Joel you really you really kept me from

[00:20:59] shining that's

[00:21:01] no I mean I think

[00:21:03] you I can't think of anything on the top of my head that

[00:21:05] I feel like I'm like oh that was annoying

[00:21:07] you know what Joel there is one thing and this is the

[00:21:09] tiniest thing in the world but there was a while

[00:21:11] back when you were sending me the recordings

[00:21:13] that I had to put up in the red circle as like

[00:21:15] waves or like mp3 instead

[00:21:17] of mp3s and I kept having to go to the audio

[00:21:19] processor and converting them and I was like

[00:21:21] why doesn't he send them the right way

[00:21:23] you never told me that I didn't because

[00:21:25] I kept forgetting like I do these things in my time

[00:21:27] it's like 4 a.m. I didn't think to write it down

[00:21:29] and that was it that's the that's the when I was trying

[00:21:31] to think okay what can I what did we say that that was a moment

[00:21:33] where there was like a month where and you kind of stopped doing it on your own

[00:21:35] I didn't realize I was doing it

[00:21:37] it was it was like a I had

[00:21:39] I had re

[00:21:41] installed one of the programs I use

[00:21:43] and it's it was defaulting

[00:21:45] to a different format that I didn't realize

[00:21:47] for like a month and then I finally realized like oh no

[00:21:49] that's not the format want to be using so it

[00:21:51] solved itself Troy

[00:21:53] that's it was and that's probably the only

[00:21:55] thing the other thing I can think of and this again

[00:21:57] it's not really annoying it's not even your fault it's where

[00:21:59] I'll send you an idea and you'll be like what is this idea

[00:22:01] and I'm like no it's so obvious it's this thing over here

[00:22:03] and you're just kind of like okay Troy

[00:22:05] and I'm like it'd be great just do it a little

[00:22:07] it will work it out and then and then it usually works

[00:22:09] out when we do it but that I come on

[00:22:11] what are you holding back for

[00:22:13] that's the type of faith I have in you

[00:22:15] so yeah for listeners

[00:22:17] Troy we're pretty regularly just send me

[00:22:19] stuff throughout any given week

[00:22:21] and half of it

[00:22:23] I think is pretty dumb

[00:22:25] it's pretty ridiculous

[00:22:27] no I mean like

[00:22:29] I don't I don't fully grasp

[00:22:31] and understand the vision and I feel like you're usually

[00:22:33] like aware of

[00:22:35] of that because

[00:22:37] you want there to be added to them he wanted to be something

[00:22:39] I'm interested into and so if I'm

[00:22:41] like I'd rather maybe

[00:22:43] talk about this than this

[00:22:45] and you be like okay all right let's

[00:22:47] let's grab that let's talk about this then and then I'll

[00:22:49] be like what is this

[00:22:51] and then you'll have to explain to me

[00:22:53] you know from the ground up everything

[00:22:55] and be like okay no all right I can

[00:22:57] I can kind of see why you find this

[00:22:59] interesting now I guess

[00:23:01] yeah thanks that's actually you know what you helped me

[00:23:03] figure it out so there was annoyance I actually don't feel

[00:23:05] like this is a thing anymore but when we first started

[00:23:07] Revive Thoughts I felt like your passion

[00:23:09] for the subject was not as strong

[00:23:11] I was like Joel don't you love what we're talking

[00:23:13] about and you're like I love that we're making a podcast

[00:23:15] about it and that people

[00:23:17] were listening and that was like not the same

[00:23:19] but I feel like you've actually you've really

[00:23:21] honed in on your church history

[00:23:23] I think being on the show for five years

[00:23:25] I would agree with that I know you now

[00:23:27] speak pretty intelligently on it but there's definitely

[00:23:29] in the beginning days I don't think this was

[00:23:31] like my passion for it was

[00:23:33] searched almost immediately I think it took you a while

[00:23:35] to catch up no I would agree with

[00:23:37] that it's definitely

[00:23:39] something

[00:23:41] I don't know I enjoy

[00:23:43] creativity

[00:23:45] I enjoy I you know from the get go I thought

[00:23:47] this was a really fascinating and good

[00:23:49] idea on a idea

[00:23:51] level but

[00:23:53] admittedly yeah I guess for those first

[00:23:55] year or two it was

[00:23:57] a lot of like I'm producing a show over here

[00:23:59] and all the technical things

[00:24:01] and

[00:24:03] I suppose like our roles

[00:24:05] do kind of lend themselves to that

[00:24:07] in some level because

[00:24:09] you are

[00:24:11] more of the researcher and I'm more

[00:24:13] of a technical producer and so

[00:24:15] my mind it kind of analyzes things

[00:24:17] like that where your mind

[00:24:19] analyzes things like research so

[00:24:21] I think some of that was

[00:24:23] a byproduct of just the natural

[00:24:25] rules that we fell into

[00:24:27] don't underestimate that I also

[00:24:29] was like doing all the social media marketing

[00:24:31] so I was talking to lots of people

[00:24:33] interacting with lots of comments I was doing

[00:24:35] all of that stuff so I was seeing

[00:24:37] like people go on get on fire

[00:24:39] for what we were talking about and people get excited

[00:24:41] about it whereas you

[00:24:43] you are not getting I mean hardly any

[00:24:45] of that so for you I can see why that would

[00:24:47] be like you're like I mean you know other than the numbers

[00:24:49] of downloads that we get per week like you're not

[00:24:51] really seeing the engagement if that

[00:24:53] makes sense yeah yeah

[00:24:55] that's true

[00:24:57] but I mean and you're right

[00:24:59] I definitely have

[00:25:01] grown

[00:25:03] to really

[00:25:05] respect and admire and be fascinated with

[00:25:07] the content and subject material

[00:25:09] of church history throughout the years

[00:25:11] but

[00:25:13] there is definitely some

[00:25:15] personality

[00:25:17] associations with that because I think

[00:25:19] you from the I mean it was your idea

[00:25:21] from the get go it was always

[00:25:23] your brain child at the beginning

[00:25:25] so

[00:25:27] you're clearly and just

[00:25:29] in general like I said I think you're a lot more

[00:25:31] self-motivated than I am when it comes to things like this

[00:25:33] so it lends

[00:25:35] itself to

[00:25:37] taking the flag

[00:25:39] ship there the forefront

[00:26:09] for the ones who get it done

[00:26:18] well Joel okay so

[00:26:20] what is something

[00:26:22] what is an area let us something you've learned

[00:26:24] from revived thoughts that you don't think

[00:26:26] you would have probably learned had we not been during

[00:26:28] this show together

[00:26:30] I honestly and this kind of sound like

[00:26:32] a silly answer but I really enjoyed

[00:26:34] learning about church history

[00:26:36] that's something that also know for simplification

[00:26:38] but

[00:26:40] I don't know growing up like I feel like

[00:26:42] it as a

[00:26:46] I grew up in a Baptist church in America

[00:26:48] Troy and I went to a conservative

[00:26:50] Bible college I feel like

[00:26:52] to teach you about the reformation

[00:26:54] you know you learn about Luther

[00:26:56] the reformation you learn about the

[00:26:58] Protestantism and like

[00:27:00] that's like

[00:27:02] kind of the beginning of

[00:27:04] church history for a lot of

[00:27:06] people

[00:27:08] and so I really

[00:27:10] have enjoyed kind of flushing out the whole timeline

[00:27:12] here you know what what from acts

[00:27:14] to current what was the church

[00:27:16] doing

[00:27:18] and the show has been really fascinating

[00:27:20] to take I don't know

[00:27:22] just become a more

[00:27:24] well-rounded well educated individual

[00:27:26] when it comes to

[00:27:28] church history

[00:27:30] in addition to the great

[00:27:32] reformation

[00:27:34] yeah I would agree with that no when

[00:27:36] I it's almost kind of hard to put myself back

[00:27:38] in those shoes because it was so long ago but when we started

[00:27:40] the show

[00:27:42] do I know church history I would be like yeah I took church

[00:27:44] history class in college

[00:27:46] I realized quickly

[00:27:48] we learned like

[00:27:50] 0.1% of church history in that class

[00:27:52] I we knew

[00:27:54] the name Martin Luther and maybe a couple other

[00:27:56] famous names but that was it and

[00:27:58] church history is so much more

[00:28:00] than just those little bits and it's not

[00:28:02] that Martin Luther isn't important he's we've done

[00:28:04] so many episodes on Martin Luther we obviously

[00:28:06] think he's very important but that's just

[00:28:08] even Martin Luther what I thought I knew about him

[00:28:10] there was so much more to learn about him

[00:28:12] so I would definitely agree that

[00:28:14] it's a very basic answer but just a church

[00:28:16] history the other thing for me that I've enjoyed

[00:28:18] learning as we do this

[00:28:20] show is kind of an offside thing but learning

[00:28:22] how to teach these subjects

[00:28:24] I never thought I'd need to know how to teach

[00:28:26] these things and speak about these things and

[00:28:28] learn these things but that's been really

[00:28:30] helpful to me I actually now am able to do

[00:28:32] that kind of as a part of what I do

[00:28:34] and I'm really grateful for it because I have people

[00:28:37] they hear the word church history they immediately shut down

[00:28:40] they go this is not important to me but if you can

[00:28:42] get them passed that shutdown

[00:28:44] you can teach them a lot of amazing things

[00:28:46] that will encourage them in their faith

[00:28:48] today from the stories of these old

[00:28:50] saints and these old amazing Christians

[00:28:52] that live before and then something else

[00:28:54] that I think I've learned is how to preach better

[00:28:56] I all these sermons editing

[00:28:58] all these sermons for five years

[00:29:00] from the history's greatest preachers

[00:29:02] and it like not I never intended to

[00:29:04] but I just reading that many sermons

[00:29:06] I think it's made me a lot better preacher

[00:29:08] than I would have been had I not

[00:29:10] and I think just seeing how

[00:29:12] all these different people from Charles

[00:29:14] Berge and John Thadard were the early guys

[00:29:16] Augustine and Basil to

[00:29:18] just all these different characters out of history

[00:29:20] use a sermon and how they preach

[00:29:22] and teach it has rubbed off on me

[00:29:24] and this and not like oh I'm a great

[00:29:26] preacher but I just I

[00:29:28] I think I'm better than I would have been

[00:29:30] that

[00:29:32] definitely yeah I can definitely share

[00:29:34] this sentiment as well better

[00:29:36] than I would have been

[00:29:38] without

[00:29:40] there you go

[00:29:42] Troy what a what a

[00:29:44] what do we see happening in the next five years here

[00:29:46] what's what's the future of our

[00:29:48] T hold

[00:29:50] well let me tell you

[00:29:52] we're gonna we're gonna be we're gonna hit it even bigger

[00:29:54] that's for sure we've got bigger better ideas

[00:29:56] we're

[00:29:58] gonna have to reign here no no

[00:30:00] yeah as I say you do you want my full

[00:30:02] scope of 100 ideas

[00:30:04] that I would like to throw at you or the more

[00:30:06] realistic version I think

[00:30:08] we can

[00:30:10] feeling this that we didn't talk about this

[00:30:12] but I feel like this is a good save spot

[00:30:14] maybe to announce the development

[00:30:16] of a particular

[00:30:18] item do you think this would be

[00:30:20] an appropriate time

[00:30:22] announced it Joel make it happen

[00:30:24] and we've been asked for years

[00:30:26] and we've been trying to do it for years

[00:30:28] but I think this year is hopefully

[00:30:30] finally the year where we're gonna

[00:30:32] produce a book a

[00:30:34] a collection of

[00:30:36] a revive that sermons my vision

[00:30:38] for it as kind of like a almost like a coffee

[00:30:40] table book where you can just have something

[00:30:42] set out and

[00:30:44] you know it'll probably have

[00:30:46] 20 to 30 sermons in it

[00:30:48] and

[00:30:50] you know a little short

[00:30:52] introductory biography page

[00:30:54] and then the sermon that's

[00:30:56] you know from the show obviously we're

[00:30:58] taking these content

[00:31:00] some from the show maybe some not

[00:31:02] from the show some that might become

[00:31:04] a part of the show in the future

[00:31:06] but we've always

[00:31:08] been asked to make a book over the years

[00:31:10] and

[00:31:12] sorry I just

[00:31:14] I just dropped a pair of hair clipters

[00:31:18] and a few years ago

[00:31:20] we actually put in some work to

[00:31:22] to work towards it but then

[00:31:24] life got in the way and things like that

[00:31:26] but it is our goal

[00:31:28] and our desire to bring a book

[00:31:30] to the public that people can order

[00:31:32] and have and reference and

[00:31:34] not only use as a great conversation

[00:31:36] piece but also

[00:31:38] use practically for

[00:31:40] research and reference

[00:31:42] hopefully by reading those sermons

[00:31:44] like I said it made me a better speaker

[00:31:46] if you're a pastor, if you're someone in ministry

[00:31:48] you know someone in ministry hopefully

[00:31:50] they'll be able to use sermons in the past

[00:31:52] if they don't listen to the show

[00:31:54] that hopefully will be something they can use

[00:31:56] and then we regularly get messages from people

[00:31:58] who say hey where can I find all your sermons

[00:32:00] we used to in the very early days

[00:32:02] we would put them up on our website

[00:32:04] but that was a lot of work to put every single sermon

[00:32:06] up on the website

[00:32:08] so that was something I had to cut from just

[00:32:10] my list of activities to do

[00:32:12] this will be another way to get you those sermons

[00:32:14] so they don't just go out onto an audio

[00:32:16] when you never can see them again

[00:32:18] they enjoy reading more than they enjoy listening

[00:32:20] and for the record to get these modernized sermons

[00:32:22] yeah if there is a specific episode

[00:32:24] that you want to transcript for

[00:32:26] email us at ReviveThoughts.com

[00:32:28] we'd be happy to

[00:32:30] to send you

[00:32:32] the script for the show with the manuscript

[00:32:34] of the sermon and everything like that

[00:32:36] that's no problem for us but

[00:32:38] every sermon that I have

[00:32:40] that I'm able to find I always send it to you

[00:32:42] because for us all of this is free

[00:32:44] we don't do this

[00:32:46] to make a bunch of money or we're not doing any of this

[00:32:48] to just you know get people's

[00:32:50] you know harder in cash we love

[00:32:52] this content freely it's been given

[00:32:54] to us and freely we're giving it out as much as we

[00:32:56] can to just trying to bless people but yeah

[00:32:58] the only thing I think is going to be good about

[00:33:00] having this book is if people enjoy it

[00:33:02] something they like we would really love

[00:33:04] that in my dream vision for this

[00:33:06] this was actually mentioned to me by somebody else

[00:33:08] who said you have so many great sermons

[00:33:10] from history you could make subjects like

[00:33:12] you could do sermons on, grief sermons

[00:33:14] on love sermons on

[00:33:16] you know theological topics

[00:33:18] and certain these different areas of people's life

[00:33:20] where you could read you know

[00:33:22] eight sermons from the you know

[00:33:24] eight different centuries theoretically

[00:33:26] and how they've been covering that same subject

[00:33:28] throughout those years and I was like that is such

[00:33:30] a cool idea you know I would love

[00:33:32] I personally would love to have that book see on

[00:33:34] my shelf where it's just sermons on

[00:33:36] hopefulness and you could just see all these

[00:33:38] different speakers throughout the centuries

[00:33:40] who have preached on that are sermons on

[00:33:42] Thanksgiving or sermons on you know

[00:33:44] all these different subjects that have been

[00:33:46] tackled for centuries and that

[00:33:48] that's my dream of what this would you know

[00:33:50] so five years from now if the book stuff

[00:33:52] goes well I would love for people to be able to

[00:33:54] have those subjects that are near and dear

[00:33:56] to their heart and be able to see the different sermons

[00:33:58] that have covered that because on Revive Thoughts

[00:34:00] we end up having sermons that cross cover

[00:34:02] the same idea multiple times and

[00:34:04] there are lots of different

[00:34:06] mini pastors have tackled some of the same subjects

[00:34:08] over and over again it would be pretty

[00:34:10] amazing to see those things

[00:34:12] go out to the world

[00:34:14] and then you know come in 2025

[00:34:16] will be our Revive Thoughts live

[00:34:18] event that

[00:34:20] is called the orchestra

[00:34:22] no this is what we should do

[00:34:24] we should put a date on it

[00:34:26] and then work towards it and then we can't

[00:34:28] not do it because it's

[00:34:30] it's already out there

[00:34:32] I mean look if we were going to do it

[00:34:34] summer of 2025 I will be back in the states

[00:34:36] Lord willing so if it was going to happen

[00:34:38] we would be here for 2025

[00:34:40] so we just need to find

[00:34:42] a location and

[00:34:44] a bunch of people who

[00:34:46] want to come to that and maybe a couple people

[00:34:48] who could speak at it and bada bing

[00:34:50] we need to work ourselves

[00:34:52] a live event we need to look at the analytics

[00:34:54] of our listener base throughout America

[00:34:56] and see what the most densely

[00:34:58] populated area is

[00:35:00] and then have that

[00:35:02] as the venue you know

[00:35:04] location there it is

[00:35:06] and then you know see if

[00:35:08] everyone else wants to make a road trip out there

[00:35:10] make a whole

[00:35:12] thing out of it

[00:35:14] and maybe somebody listening is going

[00:35:16] I have a church you should come do it

[00:35:18] there and then that will be how it happens

[00:35:20] because that's probably how it realistically happens

[00:35:22] so that would be something we've

[00:35:24] I've always think these I've heard there have been

[00:35:26] a couple not many but a couple people who have taken

[00:35:28] our sermons and preached them live to their congregation

[00:35:30] I didn't pretend they were theirs they were like hey

[00:35:32] I'm reading this sermon from the past I think it's great

[00:35:34] I wanted to read it to you today and it's just amazing

[00:35:36] they always tell us that the

[00:35:38] audience comes up and was like wow I can't believe that

[00:35:40] specifically in thinking of Dietrich

[00:35:42] Bonhoeffer's sermon on forgiveness

[00:35:44] but I know there's been a couple others

[00:35:46] that it's just powerful these sermons

[00:35:48] work I mean they still

[00:35:50] work I think it would be really cool

[00:35:52] to be a part of an audience to get to listen to these sermons

[00:35:54] preach together and just be

[00:35:56] that would be something that would be just really amazing so

[00:35:58] yeah I'm all about that

[00:36:00] and you know we could convo with our church history conference

[00:36:02] have a couple other friends of church history come out

[00:36:04] and speak a little here and there

[00:36:06] and we'll make a day of it it would be great everyone would love it

[00:36:08] and everyone would know that

[00:36:10] it would be very cheap because of our very

[00:36:12] my very strong opinion on church history conference

[00:36:14] to take it so there you go

[00:36:16] one of the things that I don't we've also talked about

[00:36:18] I don't know if and when

[00:36:20] or how this would ever happen

[00:36:22] but you know five years ago

[00:36:24] if you asked me if we'd make

[00:36:26] in the show I don't know if I would have

[00:36:28] known that either so who knows what the next

[00:36:30] five years brings but

[00:36:32] you know

[00:36:34] I have learned a lot over the years

[00:36:36] Troy particularly again has become quite

[00:36:38] the expert in this area

[00:36:40] and we've really wanted to make some type

[00:36:42] of like church history

[00:36:44] video curriculum course

[00:36:46] that the public

[00:36:48] could have in view

[00:36:52] again I don't know if you guys listen

[00:36:54] to join a leases episode on

[00:36:56] things

[00:36:58] what did you title it

[00:37:00] how not to teach church history

[00:37:02] to teach church history yeah

[00:37:04] there's just a lot of

[00:37:06] ways that like we feel like

[00:37:08] modern society is

[00:37:10] not doing church history justice

[00:37:12] and

[00:37:14] I don't know is it

[00:37:16] prideful or

[00:37:18] delusional to think that like

[00:37:20] I don't know I do feel like

[00:37:22] we've tapped into

[00:37:24] I don't know that sounds

[00:37:26] this sounds so

[00:37:28] so prideful but there is

[00:37:30] no I

[00:37:32] no I think the way that

[00:37:34] so often church history is laid out for

[00:37:36] people is it's oftentimes

[00:37:38] theologians at seminaries who have

[00:37:40] who are really excited about

[00:37:42] the theology and then they learn the church history afterwards so they present

[00:37:46] church history almost through a theological lens

[00:37:48] but the thing about church history is it's kind of outside

[00:37:50] that like we all of our great

[00:37:52] theories and stuff are great and wonderful

[00:37:54] but if I'm putting in science terms

[00:37:56] like theoretical physics is oftentimes the theology

[00:37:58] the laboratory is where church history happens

[00:38:00] as much as we love

[00:38:02] I love great theology and I think

[00:38:04] absolutely some theology is better than others

[00:38:06] and all that there's still a little bit of a fact

[00:38:08] of no matter whose camp you're in

[00:38:10] there are people from the other

[00:38:12] camp who have done great things for God

[00:38:14] and you gotta just go I wish my guys

[00:38:16] maybe had sometimes done those great things too

[00:38:18] and that's I think

[00:38:20] that's why people who love history

[00:38:22] naturally but even history

[00:38:24] itself is often taught wrong so I don't think it's

[00:38:26] I don't think it's

[00:38:28] probably able to say that maybe we could help

[00:38:30] in making church history

[00:38:32] we have something to contribute I guess that would be

[00:38:34] a better way of saying that

[00:38:36] we came into church history because of

[00:38:38] a love of church history because of a love of sharing stories

[00:38:40] and I think we've learned a lot

[00:38:42] at a lot of stories throughout the years because of that

[00:38:44] and I think those stories have made it

[00:38:46] I know that for a fact in my classes

[00:38:48] they have made an impact where people

[00:38:50] I had a parent tell me yesterday

[00:38:52] that their

[00:38:54] that their daughter said it's

[00:38:56] quoting me from class basically

[00:38:58] or like quoting the daughter talking about my class

[00:39:00] where they said he's teaching church history

[00:39:02] but somehow he makes it apply for today and

[00:39:04] it just feels like it's relevant to my life

[00:39:06] and I was like that is the goal

[00:39:08] that's what I want to hear students say

[00:39:10] so that was really heartfelt

[00:39:12] to hear that

[00:39:14] yeah, now I'd love to make that video curriculum with you Joel

[00:39:16] and I'd love to be able to see if we

[00:39:18] can create something and you know what

[00:39:20] like this is going to sound stupid and this is where

[00:39:22] you're going to go Troy that's the line

[00:39:24] that was the ambitious draw

[00:39:26] but there's this YouTube video series

[00:39:28] called the Bible Project and they make these cool

[00:39:30] little videos that are animated

[00:39:32] that tell Bibley things

[00:39:34] I've always thought man wouldn't it be cool

[00:39:36] if we had something like that

[00:39:38] for church history where you know it's the little

[00:39:40] scribbles and the drawings and all the animations

[00:39:42] that are so easily accessible

[00:39:44] but it's telling you about men like Charles Spurgeon

[00:39:46] telling you about lives of people like Jonathan Edwards

[00:39:48] and making those things super accessible

[00:39:50] to people today because

[00:39:52] I think that one of the biggest problems we have

[00:39:54] with church history is that it's locked away

[00:39:56] in books and it feels inaccessible

[00:39:58] and that's something that needs

[00:40:00] to change where we need to

[00:40:02] find a way to get the content

[00:40:04] into people's hands easier

[00:40:06] because people would love it if they

[00:40:08] knew how to get to it I think

[00:40:10] let's start with the 6-Bart

[00:40:12] video series on

[00:40:14] the channel

[00:40:16] we'll see what happens

[00:40:18] we'll work our way towards

[00:40:20] an animation studio

[00:40:22] we gotta start somewhere right

[00:40:24] I don't know if the audience is ready to

[00:40:26] see what you look like

[00:40:28] I can hide behind the camera

[00:40:30] but the whole world

[00:40:32] I don't know

[00:40:34] the radio voice never looks

[00:40:36] like what you think they look like

[00:40:38] if you've ever seen

[00:40:40] our pictures are on our website

[00:40:42] but the

[00:40:44] they could have seen us then too

[00:40:46] I bet you less than 3% of these listeners

[00:40:48] have ever seen a picture of us

[00:40:50] that's probably true

[00:40:52] I'd be curious

[00:40:53] well maybe we don't want them to see what we look like

[00:40:54] maybe we're a lot uglier

[00:40:56] than their picturing

[00:40:58] almost certainly right

[00:41:00] people

[00:41:02] they've been listening to our voices

[00:41:04] anyone will go wow much more handsome

[00:41:06] than I was picturing so there's that

[00:41:08] right there

[00:41:10] maybe we should do animated

[00:41:12] that way we're hidden behind video cartoons

[00:41:14] isn't that what people do nowadays

[00:41:16] they're not confident about their looks

[00:41:18] the cartoon version of you

[00:41:20] we used to get comments

[00:41:22] that we sound quite a bit alike

[00:41:24] I haven't heard that in a long time

[00:41:26] I can see it

[00:41:28] but

[00:41:30] I am almost 100% convinced

[00:41:32] my students

[00:41:34] sometimes my students will look up my show

[00:41:36] I don't talk about it like a ton

[00:41:38] they'll look up my class and they'll look up my show

[00:41:40] one of my students, sweet lady

[00:41:42] said

[00:41:44] I like listening to your show at night

[00:41:46] because it helps me fall asleep

[00:41:48] just like class doesn't it

[00:41:50] helps you get right back to that place

[00:41:52] and

[00:41:54] but I almost

[00:41:56] am guaranteeing

[00:41:58] I think they thought my voice was your voice for some reason

[00:42:00] because they kept saying that

[00:42:02] I sounded like someone else

[00:42:04] and I was pretty sure that's Joel you're listening to

[00:42:06] I'm just between when you hear

[00:42:08] my voice speaking in a classroom

[00:42:10] and when you hear my voice speaking right next to a microphone

[00:42:12] like our voice

[00:42:14] you guys started listening to Elise

[00:42:16] I remember you guys were like Elise sounds so different on Martyrs and Missionaries

[00:42:18] then she does when we're hanging out with her

[00:42:20] it's like well because you don't have Elise

[00:42:22] speaking very professionally

[00:42:24] and carefully right into your ear like you do

[00:42:26] when you're listening on a microphone

[00:42:28] mm-hmm

[00:42:30] audio only stuff is weird

[00:42:32] in that way

[00:42:34] yeah

[00:42:36] well Joel I had one more question for you

[00:42:38] for the day and one more

[00:42:40] my last one for you Elise was gonna be

[00:42:42] if you could meet after doing this show for five years

[00:42:44] if you could meet anyone in church history

[00:42:46] who would you want to sit down for like a lunch

[00:42:48] or a tea time with

[00:42:52] what are my parameters here

[00:42:56] they're alive so we're bringing them back from the dead it's not their body

[00:42:58] we'll put them

[00:43:00] just prop a corpse up at a table

[00:43:02] yeah I'm just saying like you know have a conversation with them

[00:43:04] if you could meet any of them

[00:43:06] they're there to hang out with you and talk with you

[00:43:08] answer questions

[00:43:10] give life advice whatever you're looking for

[00:43:12] I think I'd probably

[00:43:14] I'm trying to decide

[00:43:16] it would probably be between

[00:43:18] I think I'd probably go back

[00:43:20] I think I'd probably try to get back as close as I could

[00:43:22] to time a crisis

[00:43:24] so I'd probably find like a

[00:43:26] Basil or Agustin or something like that

[00:43:28] are we limited to people that we covered on the show

[00:43:30] I didn't even think of that answer but that's so smart

[00:43:32] yeah I'm gonna go straight to like Onissimus

[00:43:34] from the first century that's clever

[00:43:36] July didn't even consider that

[00:43:38] yeah yeah yeah

[00:43:40] I mean if Jesus is I'm assuming off the table

[00:43:42] we haven't covered anything

[00:43:44] oh my goodness can I just you want to

[00:43:46] so I told you my annoyance you know my one

[00:43:48] half annoyance with you let me give my annoyance

[00:43:50] with the audience okay I run the Twitter

[00:43:52] and I will put up polls

[00:43:54] and I'll say things like which John

[00:43:56] would you you know which

[00:43:58] Jonathan would you meet would you want to hear

[00:44:00] a sermon from and I'll be like you know

[00:44:02] John Edwards, John Calvin, John Wesley

[00:44:04] John Owen or something like that and every time

[00:44:06] without fail it's a poll

[00:44:08] you vote on the poll it's not hard people

[00:44:10] someone goes John the Baptist

[00:44:12] or if you can be anybody from church history

[00:44:14] for lunch I had that same question I just gave you

[00:44:16] and they'll go Jesus and I'm like okay yeah

[00:44:18] no everyone wants to meet Jesus

[00:44:20] don't come on hey that's on you

[00:44:22] for not defining the parent that is better

[00:44:24] no because sometimes I actually will

[00:44:26] say I will sometimes say

[00:44:28] from this poll because I've gotten so tired

[00:44:30] of this I'll say from this poll who would you

[00:44:32] pick and they'll still put John the Baptist

[00:44:34] and I'm like you read the instructions

[00:44:38] the internet's a big place okay I mean

[00:44:40] you can't okay you can't hold everyone

[00:44:42] I know I literally like people will fight with me

[00:44:44] about stuff all the time online I don't care about that

[00:44:46] but some reason this poll thing drives you crazy

[00:44:48] or anything I like I'll show my phone to my wife

[00:44:50] and I'll be like why do they do this every time

[00:44:52] those instructions are so simple

[00:44:54] why can you not just click the button

[00:44:56] or give an opinion

[00:44:58] I feel like that's me whenever I try to

[00:45:00] post something on Facebook Marketplace

[00:45:02] which I dread doing

[00:45:04] because 99% of the people

[00:45:06] just blatantly ask questions that are in the first

[00:45:08] line of the description

[00:45:10] and I don't even reply to them anymore

[00:45:12] like are you so lazy you literally have not read

[00:45:14] the first line like I don't believe you have

[00:45:16] money like I think you're

[00:45:18] just like you're wasting everyone's time

[00:45:20] I don't think you're the type of person

[00:45:22] smart enough to have money to buy this product

[00:45:24] if you literally haven't even read the full description

[00:45:26] so I'm not engaging with you

[00:45:28] it's true that's exactly what it's like

[00:45:30] I don't know how these people

[00:45:32] go through life living like this

[00:45:34] like I just just

[00:45:36] incapable of doing anyway alright

[00:45:38] so that's my annoyance I love

[00:45:40] the audience I love all of you who listen

[00:45:42] and I don't think most of I don't think any of these people actually do

[00:45:44] so that's why I don't view but yeah those are

[00:45:46] those aren't our listeners those aren't people listening

[00:45:48] you know what I just almost guaranteed though

[00:45:50] all of our listeners are going to start doing this just to annoy me

[00:45:52] and you know what it'll work I'm gonna be

[00:45:54] there it is yeah yeah it's gonna happen

[00:45:56] but anyway so that's the thing

[00:45:58] is the funny thing is if they have controversial opinions

[00:46:00] that they want to fight about theology and stuff in the comments

[00:46:02] I'd have no problem with that that doesn't bother

[00:46:04] me hardly at all but it's just stupid

[00:46:06] just click the button okay it's not hard

[00:46:08] people alright

[00:46:10] Joel what were you gonna say so you went

[00:46:12] with going back for me I would pick

[00:46:14] probably George Mueller I feel like that guy

[00:46:16] would be of all the people we've learned about

[00:46:18] so many amazing people and it would be

[00:46:20] it's an impossible list I mean Charles

[00:46:22] there's so many amazing people but

[00:46:24] there's something about old faithful George

[00:46:26] Mueller running that orphanage that I just

[00:46:28] man I would have loved to have had tea with him

[00:46:30] I feel like I would have walked or David Livingston

[00:46:32] that's another one too but I just feel like I'm gonna walk

[00:46:34] or Taylor anyone from those areas

[00:46:36] Taylor yeah there's some

[00:46:38] amazing people that have lived and obviously

[00:46:40] it's impossible to narrow it down but for me

[00:46:42] maybe it's just a personal connection

[00:46:44] but I just I really look up to George

[00:46:46] and I would have would have loved to have been like

[00:46:48] so how did you how did you go through

[00:46:50] all you did just run it off again

[00:46:52] how what what it is

[00:46:54] he probably tell me what he's already said in his books

[00:46:56] yeah yeah

[00:46:58] but I imagine I mean I think a George

[00:47:00] Mueller and there's that old like

[00:47:02] scraggly

[00:47:04] photo he's one of the few people

[00:47:06] that we have a photo yeah and he's just

[00:47:08] like this ancient old scraggly

[00:47:10] bearded man and he looks like he just

[00:47:12] would have like the most like

[00:47:14] gentle soothing voice ever

[00:47:16] until like if you were to sit across from him

[00:47:18] and he would just lean back

[00:47:20] and be like let me tell you about

[00:47:22] my life yeah this looks like he'd be a very

[00:47:24] joyful pleasant person to have a lunch

[00:47:26] with this looks like you feel like

[00:47:28] those guys know we had a great time

[00:47:30] yes

[00:47:32] and I feel like you would just walk out of that lunch

[00:47:34] feeling so loved and you'd walk away like man what a great guy

[00:47:36] I just think that's the kind of lunch

[00:47:38] so that's that's probably high

[00:47:40] up on my list of lunches with people would be him

[00:47:42] so there you go that's my answer

[00:47:44] and

[00:47:46] all right Joe what any final thoughts as we kind

[00:47:48] of close our five year

[00:47:50] of this show going strong no yeah

[00:47:52] here's to five more

[00:47:54] right we got it we got a we got to

[00:47:56] expand the empire now right we got a

[00:47:58] plan or

[00:48:00] plan our conventions and such

[00:48:02] but no I'm all by the way for what

[00:48:04] the future hold

[00:48:06] I have forgot to announce so I didn't

[00:48:08] wasn't going to tell you this you don't but we have

[00:48:10] officially crossed nine hundred thousand downloads

[00:48:12] across our studio which at this point

[00:48:14] is basically nine hundred thousand

[00:48:16] downloads split between rabbi thoughts and martyrs

[00:48:18] missionaries which is pretty cool it does that include

[00:48:20] our previous hosting platforms

[00:48:22] that does yes

[00:48:24] it includes all of our work to this day

[00:48:26] so we are almost I mean we will hit a million

[00:48:28] downloads not too far off

[00:48:30] in the future which I

[00:48:32] am which for a podcast that never

[00:48:34] I mean we never got a big backing

[00:48:36] from anybody neither of us are famous from

[00:48:38] people who

[00:48:40] you know we don't have anything like that going on

[00:48:42] that is not nothing small okay

[00:48:44] especially because like let's be honest

[00:48:46] we are not the world's greatest marketers

[00:48:48] we could have done a lot better so this is

[00:48:50] really just it is really a blessing

[00:48:52] that so many people are listening and have

[00:48:54] shared it with people and that we are still getting

[00:48:56] emails and comments and new listeners talking

[00:48:58] all the time like this is

[00:49:00] we definitely cannot say it is

[00:49:02] us because we are not good enough at that

[00:49:04] side of things to justify that we could be hitting

[00:49:06] a million downloads on these shows so that's

[00:49:08] been pretty awesome

[00:49:10] alright I think I was going to do it for this

[00:49:12] five-year celebratory

[00:49:14] episode

[00:49:16] okay this is Troy and Jill

[00:49:18] and this is Revive Thoughts

[00:49:44] and this is the end of the episode

[00:49:46] and I hope you enjoyed it

[00:49:48] and I will see you next time

[00:49:50] and I will see you next time

[00:49:52] and I will see you

[00:49:54] next time