Joel and Troy discuss their own personal time with God and compare it to those in history. They also mention a post Troy made that recently got many comments on the subject.
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Revived thoughts is a production of Revived Studios.
00:08 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Troy Angel and you are listening to Revived Thoughts.
00:19 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_01]: This is another Revive Conversations episode that's right.
00:22 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Another Revive Conversations episode.
00:24 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's where we talk about a lot of whatever we want to talk about.
00:28 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, somehow tying what insights we have largely often influenced by church history.
00:35 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing today, Troy?
00:37 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing good.
00:38 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually didn't tell you this before the show, but I have experienced a new overseas phenomenon today getting hit by a motorcycle.
00:45 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was fun.
00:46 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I was sorry time.
00:48 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's finish my run and I was crossing a busy street.
00:54 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And it looked clear.
00:56 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I got a halfway across the guy who was crossing the other way.
01:00 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He goes by looks like everything's good.
01:02 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I start crossing BAM hit felt like being tackled like a football player tackling you except he was made a medal and didn't pin
01:12 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but he didn't actually knock me over.
01:13 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He hit me pretty hard.
01:15 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt that across the whole body got a really nice little scratch here on my foot And a good bruise for him from that, but he went down.
01:22 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I did not and from the best of what I can tell Not trying to get anybody a trouble.
01:27 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't think the Indonesian law is gonna be but listen into this show I think there'd be a bigger problem with my with the rip-pipe thoughts than this story, but He was definitely an underage driver and he definitely was on his way from school based on what he was wearing
01:41 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't think he was supposed to be on the road at all, which is pretty common around where I live or any part of Indonesia in fact, and he I think zoomed really fast again around somebody like like a clear spot jetted it and wasn't paying attention to the pedestrian That was crossing the street as he did so so hopefully
01:59 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He learned to be a little more careful on the road and my my slight foot injury will Will be a good lesson for him.
02:06 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I was very happy my children went with me because I think Ezra or Mira would have taken that hit a lot harder than I did So I'm no serious.
02:13 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I know somebody got an actual motorcycle accident not that long ago who had to leave So I'm really glad it wasn't anything like that
02:20 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but at the same time, I don't think you'll be giving me kudos on Strava for at least a few days still.
02:25 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you've got to, the way before you see it.
02:29 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:32 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Praise the Lord, this sounds horrifying and very scary.
02:36 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very thankful that you seem to be, uh, uh, upright and nodded.
02:41 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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03:05 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We've been overseas for seven years.
03:06 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of impressive.
03:07 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_00]: This hasn't happened yet.
03:08 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was a battle in the happen.
03:10 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure at some point with the way people drive here and the motorcycle is going around.
03:14 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually, it's not true.
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I did get hit by a mirror one time while I was running.
03:18 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess that would be preferred.
03:20 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But this is the next messenger you could have.
03:22 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was, okay, he fell.
03:24 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He looked a little shaken up.
03:25 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think he was more,
03:28 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: embarrassed and more worried he'd get in trouble because again, I think he knew he was his own fault in me.
03:34 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think he was not supposed to be on the road at all.
03:38 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, but that guy's out as common if you do not live overseas in these kind of countries.
03:42 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I see I see legitimately eight-year-olds driving motorcycles by myself sometimes.
03:47 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I personally don't love it, but it happens.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
03:51 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Troy, as our listeners hopefully know, I recently launched a podcast called Real Missionaries in Real Time that follows missionaries throughout the year as we get a peek into their ministry.
04:04 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of been my fun side project.
04:06 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But now I get to share this spotlight with your side project.
04:10 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to tell us about your new show?
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm excited to.
04:13 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a revived studio, Trish Show.
04:16 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I did a joke about it quite a while back in the audience, yeah.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It is.
04:20 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's with you guys.
04:20 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a cup of it.
04:21 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's on the website.
04:22 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is the part of the studio.
04:25 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I told you about this show.
04:25 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a long time ago.
04:26 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And Joel took a, and you know how these shows take, they take a while.
04:30 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, like you got real missionaries and real time up really fast, comparatively, uh, this show took,
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: ages to prepare.
04:37 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's a very different show.
04:38 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a research show.
04:39 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It is called Christian or not.
04:42 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I am co-hosting it with a friend of mine here in Indonesia.
04:46 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a gentleman from the Netherlands.
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He really enjoys history.
04:49 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He really enjoys doing research.
04:51 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He listens to revive thoughts.
04:53 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll send me whenever he listens, especially deep dives.
04:56 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll go on a plane right here.
04:57 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to listen to deep dive.
04:58 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And then suddenly my WhatsApp will just be filled with like 20 comments as he was leaving his thoughts while listening to the show.
05:03 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: They're always pretty funny.
05:06 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he and I together put together the research for the show.
05:08 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's called written or not.
05:11 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And we look at different people in history and ask the question where they Christian or not.
05:16 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty straightforward.
05:17 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You can understand it right off the bat.
05:19 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And we know on Revive Thoughts, these preachers we cover.
05:23 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We love them.
05:24 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They're Christians.
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope we've never covered a non-Christian.
05:26 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure
05:27 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_00]: it is possible only the Lord knows the heart.
05:29 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is possible on Rive's thoughts at some point, a non-believer got in there, but we do our best to absolutely hold the line.
05:35 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: These are Christians.
05:36 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And at least this show martyrs and missionaries, we know that they are also Christians, living for the Lord overseas or giving their life for the Lord in some way.
05:45 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But what about everyone else, and then was Elise's idea, actually, she said, she was in class about a year ago and was like, hey, you know, is this philosopher or Christian or not?
05:53 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And that kind of, she's like, we should have some kind of way of knowing, like there should be a show.
05:56 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And that eventually led to why would we stop with philosophers?
05:59 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many people we need to ask that question before and by the time Mark and I were putting together the show, we have scientists, we have generals, presidents, businessmen, explorers, a pirate, a musician.
06:13 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_00]: all of these people that you've heard of maybe, or maybe you don't know their story very well that we are looking at and asking the question, are there Christians or not?
06:23 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course we know, as I said earlier, only God can know the heart, but we can look at the fruit of their life, we can look at their words, we can see, and do the best we can.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's perfect and we actually plan to do.
06:35 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: listener feedback episodes where we give people who are listening a chance to say, hey, did we get this right?
06:40 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Were we, do you agree with us that this guy is or this girl is not a Christian?
06:46 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But those will come in the future.
06:47 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_00]: For now, the show is up.
06:48 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You should have seen the trailer if you haven't seen it already as well.
06:51 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can go listen to an episode on Isaac Newton.
06:56 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_00]: and very soon in episode on John Rockefeller and we will be after that putting episodes out every two weeks until we run out of episodes with this first season.
07:05 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Then unlike our other shows, it's gonna be seasonal.
07:07 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna put episodes up for a while.
07:09 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Then we're gonna take a break, make the next podcast season, and then start up again.
07:13 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And also unlike our other shows, this is the first revived studio show that will be on YouTube where there will be a video component.
07:20 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would love for you to go subscribe on your
07:25 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: don't get my motorcycle if you're on a run or whatever it is you're doing.
07:29 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But we also would love for you to go on YouTube, give it a like watch us, you know, see what we look like.
07:35 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And listen to it there.
07:37 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We're hoping to be able to add more video stuff to it as we go.
07:39 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But for starting with these video episodes, it was just kind of sharing it out and stuff.
07:43 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So we,
07:45 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_00]: really excited about this.
07:46 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you'll be very interested to know whether Isaac Nune is a Christian or not.
07:50 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you might also be interested to know that I think he's the inspiration for Sherlock Holmes.
07:55 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So go listen to the episode and find out why I say all that.
08:01 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: What an exciting time for for all of our projects, right?
08:04 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, what a what a what a fun year.
08:07 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It is funny, I feel like we've been like, I don't know, a comatose like a sleep for three years, like, you know, and suddenly boom, you've got a show that's coming out that was a dream of the, you know, a dream show to get out there that I'm excited to hear is going well for you.
08:21 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And then boom, this other show is coming out around the same time.
08:24 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And as I said on the recent episode, I have an idea for a new show, so I'm hoping to see if I can work on that by winter.
08:30 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I feel like we're really up and running, and so I can only assume that very soon, my wife and I will have to move even further out onto another further away Southeast Asian country.
08:40 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that seems to be what happens when we have all of our good ideas going.
08:43 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We once, long time ago, Joel, you and I were going to launch a book club.
08:46 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything was kind of like, in set to go and then boom, I moved to camp early.
08:53 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Troy moving is the biggest obstacle to our creativity.
08:58 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't Joel sometimes thinks that maybe I shouldn't have moved all the way out to Indonesia in terms of podcasting studio.
09:04 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But now Joel, now you can say you are a part of probably the best Christian podcast studio hosted out of Indonesia at least in English.
09:14 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's really come on.
09:15 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You could not have said that before.
09:17 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I have the full confidence that that is the next statement.
09:22 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, at least in English, you know, we don't, I can't do the math on Indonesian, you know, how they're doing out there perfectly, but I think we can say that company.
09:29 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so listen to Christian, not, make sure you're also subscribed to Real Missionaries real time.
09:33 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I said in a recent episode that we just plan to fill your podcast feed with nothing but shows coming from us overseas people.
09:41 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is the next one, so it's just going to keep happening until hopefully we do eventually just, you're only, you're only subscribed to history and overseas workers shows by the time we're done with you.
09:51 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, should we get into our conversation for the day, Joy?
09:54 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, we should show the audience.
09:55 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You are listening with Baytid Breath.
09:57 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Joel, give us the pitch.
09:59 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: What is today's conversation?
10:01 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, it's a more chill topic.
10:03 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it would be interesting.
10:04 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I enjoy having these conversations with people and getting inside some of them, like, what is your personal, and you're now doing it?
10:10 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you are a, this is what you do, that's where the interviewer now.
10:14 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I'm real machiners, and real time goes to subscribe now.
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But afterwards, subscribe to Cushion.
10:23 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a train of advertisements.
10:27 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And personal devotions, look, how do you do it?
10:30 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: What, you know, is there insights that like, I find encouraging or helpful based on how other people do their divas.
10:36 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I just thought it'd be fun to ask you questions about how you do your divas.
10:39 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You can ask me a question about how I do my, like we're talking like, you have our personal quiet times type of situations here.
10:46 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I got you.
10:47 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so actually, Joel, did you know?
10:49 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I got a,
10:51 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I posted on social media, not that long ago, and I said, I'll, can I start you with this question?
10:57 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned the word quiet time, which triggered my memory on this.
11:01 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I actually don't want to.
11:03 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I, but well, okay, all right, now we're really going for it.
11:07 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's do this thing.
11:09 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So I posted this the other day, I said, if, no, they ask you, if for the next 30 days, you can only do one of these two things.
11:16 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: and probably out of the 135 responses I got about 80% of them are like, well you have to do both.
11:23 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm aware.
11:24 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a hypothetical, right?
11:25 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a hypothetical.
11:26 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, would you rather fly or rather have gills?
11:30 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we know that you can't fly or have gills, but the hypothetical, for the next 30 days you could only have a quiet time with Bible and prayer daily, or,
11:40 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: go on Sundays to Sunday morning worship, which of those two would you choose?
11:45 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So you cannot, and someone has to, does that mean every day is Sunday worship?
11:49 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's the once a week Sunday worship.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You're already participating.
11:53 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess maybe that includes, you know, your, your, your your Bible studies and stuff too.
11:57 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, if you have to choose quiet time with Bible and prayer, or you're, you're just asking someone more important is what you,
12:06 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it's social media is, you know, a fun one because people can take it in all the wrong ways and everyone, as many people as possible could did.
12:16 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But there were a lot of really interesting discussions that sprung from the middle of it.
12:20 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you mentioned the word quiet time, it triggered that because some people said, one guy said, I guess I won't be having quiet times, I'll just be having loud times.
12:28 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, yeah.
12:30 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, I, I,
12:34 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd probably go church.
12:35 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd probably, I think it's just some Rotary and Fellowship is something that you just can't stay in your own mind.
12:44 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: God designed us to be communal, God designed us to, like it is a team effort to go through that sanctification process and you have to be around other believers that can encourage you and that you can encourage and that you can keep each other in check and edify each other.
12:59 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
13:01 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: know how you can progress through life.
13:03 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I just think would be incredibly inefficient and ineffective to try to progress through your life as a believer and grow as a believer without other people being a part of that process.
13:21 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That being said, it would, you know, obviously it, you need that.
13:24 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
13:24 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That quiet time, do you know what I mean?
13:26 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not, this is not a, this is not a, we think one, you know, we obviously, to grow in your walk with God, you're going to need one or the other.
13:34 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually would go with quiet time and prayer dilating.
13:37 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And I say that partially because when my wife and I lived overseas at one point, there was a time where we really didn't have access to a local fellowship.
13:44 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So, really was just our quiet time keeping us going.
13:48 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, not easy.
13:49 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't recommend it if you're not in an overseas kind of situation.
13:52 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You should, you know, absolutely, and even then you it's not ideal, it's definitely worse.
13:57 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And it really, I think God really used it to teach me how much I appreciate the fellowship.
14:03 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate church appreciate.
14:05 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: What we get from our fellowships and stuff now some of you might be quickly because this happened to a bunch of people said Well, it's commanded and scripture to gather together, which is true.
14:15 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in Hebrews However, it is also commanded to pray alone where Jesus says in the sermon the Mount go into a quiet, you know a place alone in your house It doesn't have to be quiet, but I mean
14:25 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you would do it, and it not because, you know what I mean, go into a place alone in your house and pray with him.
14:31 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So both are commanded and scripture.
14:33 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And so of course, we obviously think you should do both.
14:36 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you like hypotheticals, it's an interesting, I just think that's a fun one that can get discussions going kind of a, where do you land on that?
14:43 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I find good Christians land on both sides of it, so I don't.
14:46 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_00]: and it could just be it could be also what season you are into you might be in a time where you need other people and there might be other times where actually you really need more alone time with the Lord.
14:55 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a good one.
14:57 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So you mentioned the word quiet time that sprung me there, but okay, a back to your idea of where what was the quiet time looking like.
15:03 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh oh, let me first ask.
15:06 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, version of, we've read now, if you're, what, what, what are going to these days?
15:11 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I do, I, uh, what a year ago when we went back to the States, my Bible was falling apart.
15:17 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I had the same Bible for 10 years.
15:18 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You might even recognize it if you saw it.
15:20 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Chunks of it would fall out while I was teaching my students legitimately, like, the number of times, like, I'd be reading the Bible in just like 300 pages.
15:28 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You know how they, like, get stuck together, just fell out and very seemingly, oh, it was miserable and what happens all the time in class.
15:34 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So finally I got out of the States and I asked people online, hey, what's the best Bible?
15:39 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And long story short, super nice guy.
15:41 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Sit me, his brand new, like, a hardly worn.
15:45 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He got it right before he retired as a pastor and hasn't used it.
15:48 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: LSB, legacy standard Bible.
15:51 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But I really do like it.
15:52 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really nice.
15:53 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
15:54 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So I find it very readable and very easy to understand.
15:57 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Not great for teaching young people.
15:59 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They who especially speak English as the second language many of them.
16:03 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't tend to use it in class.
16:04 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I tend to stick with ESV or even in IV because it's much more easy for these language learners to understand what I'm saying.
16:11 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of my own personal
16:15 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Nine times out of ten pull out that one.
16:17 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I do like the HCSV as well.
16:18 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Holden Christian standard Bible.
16:20 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Also a pretty good Bible So let's go on with these Bible translations.
16:25 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I And stuck in the early 2000s.
16:27 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like ESV is the new thing and we're yeah Or this he has without a doubt the best marketing any other Bible
16:35 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And I actually bought my kids their their church history Bible is really really nice So my my daughter has that because I'm another family asked me to get one for them And then there's their kid loved it for two years.
16:47 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I got it for my daughter She thinks it's a great Bible too So I'm the that's an ESV Bible which is more like you don't see that the LSV doesn't have a church history version of it Or you know any of those like only the ESV you go into the Bible section There's like 80 different apologetic CSV It's church history as VA yeah, you know all these different versions that are all really interesting
17:06 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but what was the second one that you said that you are enjoying the second translation?
17:12 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Holman Christian standard Bible.
17:13 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's another good one.
17:14 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I quite like there's another one with the Christian in the title that I'm seeing.
17:18 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: There's actually just the Christian standard Bible as well.
17:20 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Well that's what I'm saying.
17:21 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm seeing that.
17:22 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm seeing people really more once.
17:25 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the CSB is definitely more popular.
17:27 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Holman, I believe, is the older version of the CSB.
17:30 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I liked it because they do some of the poetry a little bit more accurately.
17:35 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_00]: The HCSB does where like if in the songs, you know, if in Hebrew it was like a iteration where it's like they were destroyed, decimated and decimated by the Lord or something like that, the home and tries to keep that going in the English, which I think is pretty cool.
17:50 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's good for places like that.
17:53 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not an expert on any of that kind of, especially poetry.
17:56 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not an expert on poetry at all.
17:59 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I find it's a good secondary.
18:03 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I've always, I've always, I've always loved the NASB-1995.
18:06 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That was my one before the LSB.
18:08 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is a go-to for me.
18:10 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember, I read it at a church I was at one time.
18:13 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: They were like, everybody's reading around.
18:14 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I read it and I look over and everyone's looking me like, okay, KJV, and I was like, like, this is a great version of the Bible.
18:20 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you guys talking about?
18:22 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's your NASB was my, was my go to before.
18:25 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a small one by the ESV world.
18:28 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, hey, you tell me.
18:30 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I do agree with you the CSV, the Christian Standard Bible has, I feel like, become the new ESV.
18:36 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot, what is your recommendation?
18:39 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I give someone, you just had someone like, if it's on who they are.
18:44 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So for my students, some of them barely reading English, and if I'm not going to recommend they read it in, you know, Korean or Indonesian or Chinese or whatever their language actually is, I would read this CV, which is a common English version, which was designed actually for I believe South East Asian believers to read the Bible simply.
19:01 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So that might be what I would do for you.
19:04 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Jump in, try CSB, try HCSB, give it a whirl, tell me what you think, maybe you'll like it, give it, go back to NASB, I still think NASB does a great job, or jump over to LSB.
19:17 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It is interesting, LSB will translate the word Lord as Yahweh and will translate it's pretty much every word servant into slave.
19:26 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So that is like a really different to get used to when you're not used to seeing it that way.
19:31 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But I do actually not, I don't have a problem with it.
19:34 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Adapt and I find that it doesn't make me think about the text differently so
19:47 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that would lead to my second question was I guess it would maybe depend on their digital app accessibility because Troy let me tell you I don't know the last time I picked up a physical Bible for really anything I know I am all in that digital realm now and I know not you're I know you're a physical Bible man over there but man I am I have behind me a shelf
20:16 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But probably for, I don't know, four or five years now.
20:20 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been pretty exclusively tablet-bibble, man, with the Apple pencil, you know, so I can annotate and mark up that way.
20:28 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I listen, I listen, I listen, which I enjoy.
20:30 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But got your little notes and all that, don't you?
20:33 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I got my system, and you know, I'm pretty happy with that.
20:37 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we already talked about on the DL moody episode, taking notes or not.
20:40 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had person people in real life come up to me and be like, what's wrong with you, man?
20:43 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I take notes.
20:45 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So that episode cost, you know, I got personally hit with that one on my lack of note taking, so I can see why you didn't want that.
20:55 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so much so that I don't.
20:59 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Like when I travel, because I travel quite a bit.
21:01 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's another one of the reasons I gravitate towards the digital ecosystem just because it's, well, I do use a digital Bible on my phone, probably 50% of the time or so.
21:11 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I like the Bible reading plans.
21:13 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I usually use blue letter Bibles after and I like their Bible reading plan.
21:17 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I've used for the past.
21:19 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: five or six years whenever I do a Bible read through, I usually use that one.
21:23 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not like anti.
21:25 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times, I'll read the physical book and then I'll go over and click it on my phone so I get the digital credit.
21:31 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's still like, when you're traveling and stuff, it's hard to pull a Bible out in an airport.
21:36 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy to pull your phone out and spend a minute or two with the Lord.
21:39 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's something at least.
21:41 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not my phone.
21:43 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a tap, like it's my iPad.
21:45 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty exclusively.
21:49 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: mostly Bible, Bible slash notebook for me these days.
21:53 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Which do you know honestly in this day and age like that is?
21:56 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, all iPads are really good for teamwork, but yeah, I mean, I see I have a lot of students who They I see them taking notes and stuff like that.
22:04 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're not alone.
22:05 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not alone.
22:05 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: However, our school is banned technology because of chance UBT, which I do not feel bad for sure.
22:10 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
22:11 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but people have passionate opinions about using a tablet as a Bible so much so that sometimes they will like profusely apologize if they don't have a physical Bible at hand or well.
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22:43 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I've done the chronological Bible reading plan most years.
22:46 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like reading the text like from beginning to end that way.
22:51 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the way our old testament set up like you're going through a bunch of prophets and then you end up here in there.
22:55 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I like like the prophets being where they would have been in first Kings or second Kings.
23:00 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That does create this two months span every year where I'm in the middle of the first Kings.
23:05 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I begin Isaiah and for like the next eight weeks my life as Isaiah is he healing Jeremiah.
23:12 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think personally a difficult thing to do back to back to back, but other than that, I really have come to enjoy reading the scripture that way, and so, and then the other year, I usually try to slow down and take the study more carefully, more gently, always, of course, every day, reading the scripture, reading spending time and prayer with the Lord, so I don't...
23:31 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you do life without it, it's a part of it, it's like you know it's like eating or breathing, you gotta have it.
23:38 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So, by the way, first church history camera can make here.
23:41 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Spurgeon was once asked what's more important reading your Bible or praying and he responded what's more important breathing in or breathing out.
23:50 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like that, I use that one a lot where I can.
23:53 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a nice one, yeah.
23:58 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: By the reading plans, that's what we were talking about the last year I went through the navigators by the plant, which I had quite enjoyed.
24:04 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: They do a system where you get a little bit of everything, like they'll include an Old Testament passage, a New Testament passage, a Psalm.
24:13 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like they kind of mix it all up where you read.
24:15 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's usually four different passages.
24:17 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like that plan as well.
24:19 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I used, like I said, I've done the chronological plan.
24:22 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And then last year I did the Robert Murray McChain plan.
24:25 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about Robert Murray McChain so much on the show that I finally tried his plan where he read the Old Testament once and the New Testament twice in one year.
24:35 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest, that was pretty tired.
24:37 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, hey, I want to shake, and also this is my complaint on Blue Letter.
24:41 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I was tired of doing the chronological plan every year.
24:43 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is he, he, he, he'll chair my, and Isaiah are again back to back to back, where you're just going to be able to look at the three biggest profits, you know, across the face.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, okay, let me do this new plan.
24:54 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And the new plan still included reading the oldest.
24:58 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_00]: straight through.
24:59 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I still spent two months of the Zekeel and chair in my and and Isaiah back to back to back with a little bit of New Testament sprinkled on top.
25:07 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't really feel like that was the experience I was looking for, blue letter.
25:12 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, I want to try your plan that you just mentioned for this next up coming here.
25:17 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
25:18 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
25:18 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm actually
25:20 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Not doing a plan this year and it kind of leads into our next question.
25:26 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_01]: My next question Would you say that it is you were doing this daily like are you are you pretty consistent in the daily aspect Do you ever miss it?
25:36 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I mean, yeah, of course everyone misses a day, but for me And I'm not saying that's like, oh, I'm bragging nothing like that But for me like my mistakes are very minimal.
25:45 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's and it's not even
25:48 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not I'm not I never did the U version Bible streaks up.
25:52 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
25:52 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I wouldn't want that Would drive me crazy.
25:55 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of do a little hate streaks.
25:57 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate anything that makes me like look at numbers and think about it that way because my brain will just like kind of get like fixated on that number whenever It's like when I used to run on a treadmill whenever the number like you're at five kilometers.
26:10 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: My brain would be like four kilometers to go
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26:40 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Even the Bible reading plan.
26:41 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It tells me a percentage of how much of the Bible I have to read and that kind of drives me crazy too Because I'm like, oh, I have 94% I'm six more percent of the guy.
26:47 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like no stop focusing on them.
26:48 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm for So with that said, but I do write this is daily It if it is and that is truly just like I'll get to the end of the day and sometimes I will I'll get to the end of the day.
26:58 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god Somehow
27:00 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a, if you almost always because it's a different day than normal, we're traveling, we're packing, or something happened early in the morning, or whatever, it, yeah.
27:08 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And he used to be when I was in Bible College when we were younger, you know, Joel, you would have been after him after classes after lunch at some point.
27:14 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have just kind of dived off and spent like 30 minutes in my room reading my Bible and praying.
27:19 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get that much time anymore because I'm a parent with kids.
27:22 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I do sometimes get close to that much time, but generally speaking, it's usually less now, but it's usually early in the morning.
27:28 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I try to get it done.
27:29 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: early part of my day because otherwise you forget it in the new you go the whole day without it and that is something that's good so yeah time wise by the way I remember this is again I'm trying to draw church history and so it still does it as a revive thought see but I remember we were in Bible college I we had to read like a mission about missionary biography so I read Jim Eliot's
27:49 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: book, and I feel that the buyer lives with Ellie, and I'm something blinking with the name of the book was I do apologize Mr. Mr. James Elliott.
27:56 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, famous missionary died on the field Ecuador, I believe, his wife, Elizabeth Elliott went, saved pre-cheese us to the people great story.
28:06 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Even the middle of it though.
28:07 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I was blown away because he was like, yeah, every day I spend three hours with God.
28:11 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember when I made my presentation to the class, I was like, whoa, this guy spends three hours with God every day.
28:16 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's his daily devotee, but it wasn't that crazy.
28:18 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I looked around the room and everyone was staring at me and I was like, am I the only person not spending three hours with the Lord every day?
28:24 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't believe that I'm the only one not doing that.
28:28 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, somebody else has to be putting in two and a half hours or something.
28:32 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, like so I don't know.
28:34 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still always blown away about that awkward experience I was like can you believe it three hours and everyone's there and I mean I'm like maybe maybe I'm the weird one who doesn't do that I don't spend three hours today with the Lord as much as I'd like to okay and I'm not there and Until probably my children are grown.
28:50 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'll be getting anywhere close to there
28:54 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so what's your routine look like?
28:55 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you do?
28:57 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have it?
28:57 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you have it?
28:58 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you have it?
28:58 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you have it?
28:59 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you have it?
29:00 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you have it?
29:00 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping you weren't going to flip this gun.
29:02 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:02 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I was going to let you get that set.
29:05 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I go through errors, different faces of life.
29:09 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if I have, if I'm on a Bible reading plan, that doesn't help me stay more consistent, I'd say,
29:17 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I definitely have errors, stretches where I'm very consistent with the daily devotion.
29:21 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I do like to structure my life when I have more structure and more consistent.
29:25 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: When I'm in errors of life where my life has less structure, it does definitely come through.
29:32 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm eating some nuts right now, so a little bit of a homemade peanut butter going on in my mouth, but um,
29:40 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, two, two, two.
29:42 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm leaving all of this.
29:43 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You're really hoping you could ask that question and avoid answering that.
29:46 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just munch on some nudge bill a bit.
29:48 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:50 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say 75% of the year.
29:52 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very good at doing being a daily devotion person.
29:56 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: 25% of the year.
29:57 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in a weird month or weird few weeks stretch where maybe I'm hitting it three or four times a week.
30:04 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm having a lot of random day where I get to the end of the day
30:10 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I'm tired.
30:11 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to bad.
30:12 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But to that effect, I definitely do feel like there's a very clear direct correlation between that and how those spiritual disciplines affect your broader aspects of life in general.
30:26 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like that it does feed into it and I think it's anyone that tries to pretend it doesn't align themselves, you know?
30:33 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I, yeah, I, I'm not trying to sound like a super Christian or anything.
30:36 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just that habit that stuck there are other areas where I'm not as good at following the Lord.
30:41 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So, the one reading my Bible and praying became one that just kind of, it eventually just became a daily routine that I couldn't imagine life without, and it just is in there, pretty ingrained.
30:51 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But, especially traveling.
30:53 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm going from one country to another, and I'm carrying kids around, that is when I'm most likely to definitely miss, and it's probably when I'm most needed.
31:03 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, let's say though, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
31:17 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_00]: personalities when it comes to like when they want to draw close to God.
31:21 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've noticed there are people who when life is really good, everything's humane, they get that spiritual routine going and it's like unbreakable.
31:29 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Things are good, things life is good, but when things get hard, that's when they suddenly start to really struggle to keep that spiritual routine going.
31:36 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've had other people.
31:38 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, we're like, when life is good, that's when they kind of forget the Lord and they're having fun.
31:42 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And when they start going through a hard time, that's when they suddenly turn back to God and their devote suddenly become a lot stronger.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen that or am I just crazy that I think there's a pattern there?
31:51 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
31:52 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: People have different personalities to it.
31:54 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think anyone would deny that.
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like that's a pretty...
31:58 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So which one are you?
32:00 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I certainly can relate with my deep devotions are more more weighty and I'm more invested in them when I in situations where I feeling like I need to rely on the Lord, you know?
32:14 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, interesting.
32:15 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, not to say that the devotions that I have while life is good are any less meaningful or are any less of a sweet time with the Lord, but
32:26 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_01]: there is a sense of like surrender or a selflessness that comes with hard times that you have to make those devotions more passionate I feel like I'm the same way I am the same way and I feel like
32:44 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I've always worried when I find my students I say this to them because I worried about for myself I'm like, hey, if you're the kind of person you only draw as close to God during hard times be prepared Because the Lord knows that so you're gonna be going through one of our times because he knows that if he wants your attention He's got to keep life hard for you until you learn to get better at getting your attention on him during the good times too I don't know if there's any truth to that, but I it's something I always worry about with myself at least like
33:07 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: is a little bit like, well, if you'd pay attention to God more dear in the good times, maybe God would have to keep sending rain clouds your way to get his attention.
33:14 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope I'm somebody's probably like, that's not how the last one sounds great.
33:19 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but I do wonder about that though.
33:21 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I do wonder if we were better at following God when times were good.
33:24 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_00]: If sometimes he doesn't need to get our attention quite as much.
33:27 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, but I have students at that.
33:30 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the other thing my students will talk to me about a lot.
33:32 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, well, I didn't really get anything.
33:34 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_00]: From the description, you know, I spent time with the prayer on the Lord and the last week and I didn't feel much and I had to always this analogy always use I'm like, hey, you know, you don't remember every meal that you eat you may not remember if I asked you what food you had October 14 2025 you probably can't remember what it was you're right, but you did eat because you're still here.
33:54 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_00]: everyday we need food and the spending time at the Lord sometimes is a feast sometimes it's a special meal and you really that that time got us speaking directly to you But sometimes it is oatmeal and you don't remember oatmeal and all the times you probably have eaten oatmeal or serial or something Oatmeal is my like my my basic I have to eat food, but I don't want to meal So if you love oatmeal this this analogy might not be for you
34:17 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but for me it's oatmeal and I'm just like yeah, I ate I didn't enjoy it, but I ate and I'm still alive So sometimes I think our time with God is like that I remember I used to listen to a speaker who was really pushing always like every time with God should be amazing Every time should be so awesome and it was actually our sermon Hudson Taylor's sermon a Biden and Christ That really cooled that down for me and not not that I shouldn't have seen good time with the Lord But it really just kind of like he really he likened it to food and was basically like
34:44 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so you ate, you're good, keep, you don't have to, and your time with God doesn't always have to be unbelievably amazing.
34:49 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And you don't have to like keep reciting Bible verses to yourself to be in close fellowship with the Lord.
34:55 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He said he was a doctor and he'd read his Bible.
34:57 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you know, somebody would come in need of surgery.
34:59 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: They would spend three hours saving this guy's life.
35:02 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And he'd come back to his office and see his Bible open.
35:04 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And he'd feel guilty like, oh no, I stopped thinking about God these past three hours.
35:08 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I was so busy saving that person's life.
35:09 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He genuinely felt bad.
35:13 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not how the work of the you're abiding in him.
35:16 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You're with him all the time.
35:17 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He's there with you when you're doing the surgery and other stuff too.
35:20 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because your brain isn't 24 or seven, you know, flashing God God God in your head doesn't mean God is any less present.
35:28 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You're still abiding in the vine.
35:30 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So get your food, get your nutrients you need from the Lord, and then, you know, keep going and doing the things for God that you need to do.
35:37 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And that for me was really comforting.
35:39 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of helped me relax on some of that stuff because I, you know, again, I remember listening to speakers when I was younger and they're like, pray continually means you should always be praying.
35:47 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, I don't know how to always pray.
35:49 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you order to make Donald's wild praying?
35:52 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's kind of a difficult thing to think of.
35:54 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:56 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So do you have a routine?
35:57 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, is there a certain place you go or a certain drink or drink or what you say?
36:04 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: No, okay.
36:06 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I do not have any specialty drink now, I wish I had one.
36:09 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably a morning coffee, I'm gonna morning person, so I'm gonna grab that if I can, when I get it.
36:13 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But no, it's just whenever I usually, so it's easier during work days, and I'm in work days right now, so it's fine to say, because even though it's the summer, I'm teaching some summer school, so that's okay.
36:24 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But I try to do it during that breakfast window or in the school day or work day, like my first chance, I'm at my desk, I'm not teaching, that'll be the time, I kind of,
36:35 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: spend time with the Lord, because I'm like, I want this whole day to be for him.
36:38 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to be in, you know, in the word, because very early I might be starting getting questions from students that are all over the board and it's a lot much more helpful to answer those questions when I spend some time with God than to try to answer them off the cuff.
36:51 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_00]: on the fly.
36:52 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: On the weekends, it's harder.
36:53 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But I still have a routine.
36:54 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I either go for a run, you know, make my kids some big breakfast and then somewhere in between, you know, kind of moving from breakfast to lunch era and doing the daily shopping or whatever it is you gotta do.
37:04 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That's when you'll, you know, I'll try to find them sometime for the Lord and get in there with him.
37:09 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So I really do try to get it.
37:12 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm, if I, if it's the lunch time and I haven't, I feel like that's, I don't think I failed.
37:15 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like that was not my goal.
37:17 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: How much sleep do you get on an average rate?
37:22 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not a, I don't get a lot of sleep, you know, if it's school, schooled hours.
37:30 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It is not uncommon for me to be running like four to five hours and sleep pretty regularly.
37:35 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll stay up late with my wife, reconnecting after a long day with the kids.
37:40 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be doing stuff till midnight or so, maybe later.
37:43 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'll shut down the laptop.
37:45 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm up by five trying to go for a run or if I failed to get actually out the door and run, I'm still up by five, so.
37:51 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's usually how the school week goes.
37:53 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Then Saturday I crashed pretty hard.
37:55 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And then something got you right for church, so it's kind of early up.
37:58 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go for a run before church has to forget So if I don't run I get fat and that's that's the house got to be In college you I remember you also usually getting Less than five hours of sleep pretty pretty regular would blew my mind because I could not I when you you remember you know me when that man I hit I kind of had a Disgusting the relevant you were you were like kind of go it's been nothing guys
38:24 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember like just so incredulously looking at the rest of the group being like, you know, we have to get up and have class S7AM tomorrow like you guys do you remember how not awake we were for those classes So, you know, you might have been smarter in the long term Joel I don't know about that, but do you feel like you get
38:44 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, do you function okay on little, some people just don't need as much sleep?
38:49 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
38:49 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I will be honest with you.
38:50 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
38:52 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's to have, like, these habits I have are ingrained in me, partially because I was taking care of the kids in the middle and I, like, they always need to stuff.
38:58 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So I, and I had a lot of jobs where I had to wake up early, like, to get to my job and Miami.
39:04 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to wake up, you know, I think about five.
39:07 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_00]: to get to the school by seven to seven, 30 because the traffic was so bad.
39:12 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like, it's been the way it has been for so long.
39:15 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really think about it, but I know that like in summer, I get more sleep and I'm happier.
39:21 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I do probably function more like better.
39:24 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But I also, I don't know, it's like there's a window.
39:27 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think I function either better at four and five hours of sleep or like
39:36 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, I don't, I think that's the one that kills me and I know that's weird because that's like the recommended daily amount But you look at like an Elon Musk or you know how many of the people on Levi thought bring it back to church history We got it here.
39:48 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: John Calvin got four hours to sleep.
39:49 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Martin Luther I think got really low low numbers of sleep They all died young but at least young that I want to die But like it is common like for a lot of people to just not sleep and be very successful and
40:02 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_00]: do very well.
40:03 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So I, you know, I don't know.
40:05 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm just one of those people who's more geared to like, I've got too much to do.
40:08 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have time for this.
40:10 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've got time for those eight hours of sleep.
40:11 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Or if I've just been functionally at like functionally and so I thought such a low level for so long, I don't know this.
40:17 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you get a lot done.
40:18 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're pretty high functioning in general.
40:20 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
40:20 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that.
40:22 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was gonna say, so we talked about Bible reading that quiet time there.
40:26 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But what about just quiet time to prayer?
40:29 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like how often do you feel like you get a good, quiet time away to pray?
40:36 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I remember my name, I'm about to church history of Martin Luther.
40:38 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You used to say, I've got so much I've got to do today.
40:41 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I better wake up extra early to pray so I can get it all done.
40:45 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_00]: and if you're asking when I was younger, I really was good at getting quiet prayer time in with God like going out of prayer walks and stuff like that.
40:52 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I would struggle to get my daily Bible reading and I feel like this is normal for a lot of people.
40:57 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_00]: As I got better at daily Bible reading, that's when I started to get worse at daily prayer time and maybe I'm alone in that but I've noticed this is kind of like a common thing where people either are really good at reading their Bible or really good at praying is struggle to balance both of those two things
41:12 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And for me, I struggle more to get like a quiet space to pray with God and not that I do the other one.
41:20 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting.
41:22 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I never really thought about it in that way before, but is there a correlation between how much I pray and how much I read the Bible?
41:32 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
41:32 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say I should be both.
41:34 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_00]: They should go together up like I do want to say like the ideal and much like reading Do you go to church or do you have a quiet time like the ideal is yes, you should do both.
41:41 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm curious.
41:43 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I was I feel like I treat prayer as more of a
41:48 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't necessarily make a designated time for that.
41:52 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't usually don't have a dedicated prayer session that I'm trying to mentally find time for.
41:59 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It is something I will try to intentionally do in moments of law, if I'm waiting for something, or if I'm driving, or have downtime to do, but, and of course, you know, it's incorporated
42:16 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: When you talk about something like a prayer walk or something like that, man, I don't know, I can't remember last time, I've like made specific time just for praying in that sense.
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a nice thing to do if you can.
42:28 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, I used to enjoy, it's funny, you mentioned driving a car and I actually was like, that's probably one of the reasons I feel like I don't get as much time to pray anymore.
42:35 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't drive a car anywhere anymore and when you had an hour and a half in Miami traffic back and forth you had two things to do pretty much three I guess listen to music pray and listen to podcasts so I did a lot of listening to podcasts and praying because I didn't spend a lot of time listening to music in the car.
42:54 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had another job a long time ago, too, where I was driving in a car for like 8 to 10 hours a day.
42:59 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I was a truck truck, parked delivery driver, Joel knows I even took Joel on a couple runs.
43:04 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We were just hanging out and I did a ride along and ride around.
43:07 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like honestly a pretty sweet gig in terms of work level was very easy, not easy on the car and kind of boring.
43:13 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But...
43:14 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I would memorize Bible verses just while driving and I would pray a lot because that's like all I had time to like That was all there was to do and listen to podcasts.
43:23 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly say
43:25 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_00]: In many ways, revive studios probably exist because of those jobs where I was driving so much that I got used to listening to podcasts, which made me want to, you know, create.
43:33 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the very first podcast I listened to was on one of those long truck driving jobs, because Joel had always said, like, hey, you should listen to this podcast I like.
43:42 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I'll reduce it, but that might be one of the reasons I don't walk very far anymore, because I live pretty close to where I work and I don't drive anywhere.
43:52 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: that at least not by myself.
43:53 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm driving the kids are with me.
43:55 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm not getting those like long empty spaces.
43:57 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I need to make them.
43:59 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
44:00 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to think about, there it is.
44:02 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, what have we missed any other important aspects here of a devotional time or a spinning question?
44:08 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I historically speaking, people in the comments when I put up the, would you spend time with fellowship or would you spend time with God by himself?
44:15 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And a bunch of people came at me basically like, hey, then came at me, but they were like, people get testy on my, you put the random social media question and they assume you mean it very personally and directly at them.
44:27 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_00]: When I usually almost always just mean it as like I wonder if people will think this is interesting let's see what they say and some of the conversations are great
44:34 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But some people would kind of go like, well, you know, most of church history in the world's history, people couldn't read the Bible for themselves, dude.
44:41 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I'll go to church like all of them did.
44:43 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, yes, that is true.
44:46 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people couldn't read the Bible.
44:49 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: They were still able to memorize first.
44:51 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So you could still, you know, recite them to yourself.
44:55 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But they also, they could pray.
44:57 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can spend time quietly praying and like Jesus commands.
45:00 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where it's supposed to.
45:01 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So it didn't
45:02 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if people would just sing like for the first 1600 years before the Reformation, 90% of Christians just didn't pray at home, but of course they did.
45:11 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You still spent quite, you know, Daniel in the book of Daniels going off and praying while looking to Jerusalem and people throughout all of history even before they could read the Bible on their own because they had a personal copy of it, they could still pray with God on their own.
45:26 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So I've always just thought that was kind of...
45:28 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it interesting that people, the way people view things and the things that they choose to get very firm on.
45:35 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the guy who said, you know, I'm gonna have a loud time with the Lord.
45:38 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, but it's not like, it's not like all those people before didn't spend time praying with God.
45:42 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course I would imagine they did.
45:44 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully someone found something interesting right right into us revive that's edgmail.com and let us know what your what your devotions look like and if you have any recommendations or or tits sure give us your give us your best ideas all right well we encourage you hope you enjoyed this and make sure you subscribe to Christian or not and also make sure to subscribe to real missionaries in real time but right now Christian or not is the new one all right so this is Troy and Joel and this is Revive Thoughts
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